• arc99@lemmy.world
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    Digital ownership tokens could work if there legal framework imbuing digital property with the same attributes as physical property, i.e. legal ownership and the right to sell, trade, donate, loan or destroy it just as with a real thing. And tokens would have to be maintained by a single platform with legal weight behind it. If there were such a thing and platforms were compelled to support it, then it could work.

    But NFTs were not that. They were a scam from the get go. I truly wonder how anybody could be stupid enough to believe a URL pointing at a machine generated picture would ever be worth something let alone appreciate in value. Or buying content in dogshit NFT based games like Legacy or Earth 2. Or that scam game Logan Paul endorsed. Or buying real plots of land such as on “Satoshi” (Lataroa) Island - a malaria riddled jungle that was sold as libertarian asshole utopia before it flopped. But people did. Because people are stupid.

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    NFT just served as a training opportunity for the people behind it to learn how to get away with legally scamming people, not surprised the Reddit admin was all in on it when it came out.

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    Etherium was run out of the offices of JP Morgan Chase and NFTs were a gimmick to boost the deal flow of their then-underperforming crypto offering.

    It was, by and large, an enormous investment in sales and marketing on top of a ton of insanely shady business practices. Case in point, the infamous Beeple NFT that sold for $69.3M was purchased with Etherium to showcase Christie’s auction house accepting cryptocurrency for auction bids. The winning bidder for artwork was an early crypto adopter and marketer named Vignesh Sundaresan who was flush with these tokens, but lacked any kind of liquid market to sell them into yet. That’s before you get into the Congo Line of largely clueless celebrities going on Late Night comedy shows to plug their online pogs.

    It’s trite to say that the whole thing was a scam because… duh. But I think people read this as “just dumb people being stupid with their stupid dumb money” and ignore the layer upon layer of market manipulation and con-artistry that went into making cryptocurrencies what they are today.

    The fact that Donald Trump is using them to launder bribes from Middle Eastern dictators and East Asian kleptocrats should illustrate how deep these rabbit holes can go. It’s so much more than just peddling bad clipart to dumb bros.

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    I would replace “dramatic” with “predictable”. Everybody knew it was bullshit. It was like tulip mania, but without actual tulips.

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        High Fi audio is actually legit to a point. Over $300 (well, $400 now with tariffs) is when the scam begins

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          Not necessarily. For headphones it can go higher. I’m currently looking at hifiman unveiled.

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            This sequence of comments has me cracking up.

            “I need a thing to make suckers out of morons”

            “You should sell them audiophile shit”

            “Well… some audiophile shit is ok… up to point… after that, you’re def a sucker!”

            “Actually… you’re not a sucker at all if you spend a bunch of money on this shit. Here, take my money!”

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              I get what you’re saying, but there are basically only 3 companies whose headphones are worth 300-600€. Said companies took decades, mountain of innovations and patents to get where they are now.

              If you can actually get that kind of immersion and quality cheaper - I’m all ears. Literally

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                No judgement intended, and I agree! Trust me when I say that I have an unhealthy amount of money “invested” in headphones and amplifiers. I saw way too much of myself in both sides of that comments thread to not laugh.

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              Lol no, that is entirely different category, those are essentially limited edition engineering pieces. The consumer one is Ananda unveiled, which in my local shop goes for €460.

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        A good scam is all about finding a way to bypass bs detectors. Appealing to greed or fear while adding a sense of urgency are the classic ones for good reason. But you’ve got others like appealing to in group/out group dynamics, distrust of institutions, ego, desired self image, laziness, carelessness so much more. You’ve also got those selecting to trigger anyone with a bs detector to only spend time on those without one.

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      Ok - hear me out.

      We get idk 1000 of us poors to buy some cheap land in the Midwest. Up in Appalachia.

      We sell “Rapture Survival Communities”

      They’re $999/month and you’ll get a hidden bungalow community complete with bunker. We’ll fill it with doctors and pastors and birthing women.

      BUT YOU CANT KNOW THE LOCATION UNTIL THE RAPTURE HAPPENS. You don’t want any pesky liberals finding it and gaying up the place with their liberal demonic child sacrifice transness.

      We will deliver coordinates via analog radio and Morse code once the rapture has started.

      By business plan makes Sam Altman hard in his butt:

      1. Collect money
      2. Don’t build anything.
      3. repeat

      When they come screaming for proof and receipts and refunds… Just gaslight them and buy a politician.

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        If I were an “angel”, I’d go with you. I like the cut of your jib. You have what it takes. If only 1) me business angel 2) you pitch-deck. We would clean-up the business space.

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      Unfortunately for you you don’t have what it takes. You need to be a proper psychopath to scam others.

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        Sometimes i observe so many ways to get easy money and don’t have to hard work, than i remember than my parents raised my scruples and moral… Would be so easy if i wasn’t

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      Add “AI Agent” to something everyone’s doing like “Tooth brushing AI Agent.”

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      I’m working on the grift of all gifts, if you want in, you can buy shares of my grift for $100 each.

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        Wanna help me convince maga that citrus makes people gay? I think we could solve a lot with that.

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        And if you don’t trust this guy, I offer grift insurance for only 15% of expected value!

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    Also worth noting. The Bored Ape Yaht Club NFTs (in the thumbnail) were released by 4chan trolls with Nazi symbolism hidden in some of them. This was the most successful NFT project of them all.

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    Speculating on the value of an investment based on an asset that doesn’t exist is similar to scammers offering to sell certificates of ownership of dogs’ souls.

    Capitalism tends over time to create increasingly abstract forms of ownership. And what could be more abstract than ownership of something that isn’t there at all? They’re selling GUIDs that point to nothing.

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      They can be used to launder money though.

      That’s why art is so inflated. It’s used as a means to launder, because it’s the value is so arbitrary.

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      That’s easy to say with the benefit of hindsight in 2026. However, back in 2021, it was easy to say without the benefit of hindsight.

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        I think it was even easier to say in 2021, because more people knew about it and the scam was even more obvious. Now, in 2026, most people’s hindsight doesn’t go back that far, it was quickly forgotten as it should be, and people are like “huh? NFT?”

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      Walking up to a game of Three Card Monte and saying “It’s pretty obvious he’s palmed the Queen” mostly just gets you heckled and chased away.

      Part of the problem with digital spaces is that you’ve got your person setting up the scam, and then you’ve got your layer of people marketing the scam, and then you’ve got your first layer of suckers who think they are coming out ahead on the scam, and then you’ve got the second layer of suckers who all know a tier-one sucker who just got rich. And then you’ve got the bots and the ideologues and the contrarians and the know-it-alls, all repeating the line that the person who set up the scam encourages them to say.

      And it’s over all that cacophony that you announce “It’s obviously a scam”. Then Reddit boots you for violating terms and conditions of the platform.

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      If it wasn’t in the beginning, it was after Folding Ideas/Dan Olson released “Line Goes Up”.

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        I found value in shitting on people buying them. $0 monetary gain, but at least $10 in schadenfreude.

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          I trolled people by setting their NFT as my avatar in the chat rooms they were in. Im going to value that at $100.

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              My favorite bit was how basically none of the NFTs included copyright ownership. Like, if it was a quick and easy way to publicly deal in copyright ownership, maybe pointing to a .gov site showing the transfer of ownership to the holder of that specific nft then it would actually be useful and maybe even worth something. But nah, they were treating digital assets like physical paintings and hoping rarity of an infinitely copiable object was value.

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            I’ve been watching a lot of Antiques Roadshow clips and I imagined one of the appraisers doing a valuation of your shenanigans.

            “You bought this magnificent piece sillyness when and for how much?”

            “oh I just copypasted it to my profile for no money at all”

            “Well that was very good deal indeed, because on in todays money the entertainment value alone is in the hundreds of pounds.”

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          Putting a dollar figure on your schadenfreude? Do you want a block chain based “prediction market” for schadenfreude? That’s how you get a block chain based “prediction market” for schadenfreude.

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            Yes, as long as I’m on the receiving end of the pump and dump. In the end, I’ll only be taking money from people that clearly have too much. I’ll donate some to some good charity so it’s not a bad thing

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      I actually got a free NFT in some kind of sweepstakes. It’s probably worth negative money now.

      It did get me 3 free drinks at a music festival so there’s like +50 bucks in value right there.

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      I actually made money from NOT putting any of my investment money in NFTs and instead putting it somewhere else.

      Then again, from the very start the NFT mania looked like a more obvious and dumb version of the Tulip Bulb mania, so I can hardly claim great wisdom from not having put a cent in it.

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    That was the most goddamn awful thing ever seen. Where are those shitheads who first sold the fucking idea?

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      I would actually pay like $100 to say I own the EFT some moron paid millions of dollars for. I’ve bought dumber things. I paid real money for a 100 trillion dollar zimbabwe bill that is completely worthless. Great for cocaine! I’ve also paid hundreds of dollars for 1 night of cocaine, dozens of times, and have nothing to show for any of them.

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        Yeah i was thinking that the other day when they were talking about an 11 million dollar EFT now valued at 100 USD.

        I was like, shit, I’d pay 100 USD for that one.

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          Plus imagine if another bubble came and some donkey was willing to pay a ton for it again for some dumb reason.

          A 100 dollar meme like that would be worth it IMO.

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            feels akin to my GME shares, I just wanted to be included in the fun LOL.

            BRB gonna go buy all the rump coins from the bag holders.

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          T’would be funny if this kind of demand drove the prices back up. Not to money laundering levels, but like to like $180 or something.

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        You can just say you did that without having to pay the money, the only thing you’d be missing is a website (that probably won’t be around much longer) confirming you did that. That’s kinda why NFTs didn’t work.