Good thing there are no actual problems to solve…
Holy shit what? TLDR someone pls
The Internet is not a place for children, stop trying to make it one and make parents responsible again for the things their kids consume.
Exactly. Let them access specific sites you trust as they need to, and monitor their use. As they earn your trust, teach them how to avoid the worst of it and let them go on their own more and more.
That’s how anything works with kids. Monitor them as they do something new, then let out the leash as they earn your trust, until they no longer need the leash.
Well yes, but…
Loads and loads of parents simply aren’t fit to fit the description. There are loads of idiots out there that just don’t care that their five year old watches porn. Then there is the class of idiots that think their little angel would never do such horrendous things, they’re with God, didn’t you know?
As an aside, I’m really curious as to what the deleterious effects are on kids, say, 12+ that watch porn. I was a kid like that over 3 decades ago and though porn wasn’t as readily available as it was today, I remember watching the encrypted porn channel for the eventual boob flash, or the mosaic channel that would show 20x20 px porn. Actual porn from BBS-es (pre internet dial in systems) came into my life at about… 15-ish, I’d say, and it didn’t affect me negatively whatsoever.
I’d definitely would like to see the difference between the effects on kids watching porn vs kids watching ultra violent movies or even real violence online. I’d wager the latter being more harmful than porn (be it porn combined with well designed sex education in schools, so good with that US kids!)
There are loads of idiots out there that just don’t care that their five year old watches porn
Yeah but we’re not making knifes plastic because some little Darwin Award winner might trip and fall playing with it when their parents are not doing their duties.
Louis Rossman talked against the idea that people are dying because they can easily cancel their security subscriptions. Here’s a little transcript. It’s a little off topic but I find that it works in this case because you can subsitute this for covid lockdowns or even the topic of children getting a hold of gross content like porn or violent content.
now one of the things that bothered me back in 2020 and one of the things I talked about with Andrew Kuomo is when he said something that I found to be demagoguic in nature when he said “If it saves even one life right?” And the reason that that bothered me is not because I don’t care about saving human life it’s not because I am not willing to go out of my way and do everything humanly possible to help all those around me it’s because that standard ignores all negative externalities
In the vain, I might sound like an asshole but i’m not willing to protect 1 child in a way that will make the internet worse for millions of people.
Spoiler'd: consider this your cw/tw. I don't want to trigger people and if you're squirmish might be best to avoid.
kids watching porn vs kids watching ultra violent movies or even real violence online
i’ve had access to porn since i was 8. My friend used to send me isis beheading videos over skype. Used to lurk on /b/ for rekt (basically “watch people die”) & porn threads. used to play violent vidia (gta/postal/cod/shooters generally etc) at the time too.
I’ve seen all of the above and I turned out fine, i guess.
I’d say i’ve experienced more trauma with my love life and relationships with the backstabbing/games/gas lighting/taking advantage and calling it love. I think that fucked me up more than any content on the internet ever did. Heck, i don’t even rememeber my worst relationship because my just brain blocks it out.
or maybe there’s just something wrong with me that even I don’t know about as a result of what I saw as a kid. i mean, I honestly don’t know.
i wonder if this makes me an interesting resesrch specimen tho lmao
please keep in mind that this is just my experience and doesn’t make for a good argument for or against legislation of the internet.
True but if we take bad parenting as a design point then we might as well ban 80% of all things in the world. Forks, knives, power outlets, glue, sharp furniture corners… Baths, what if your kid drowns cus of bad parenting.
I’ll bet they are!
Or, you know, parents could actually use parental controls.
Or actually monitor their kids’ internet use.
But that would mean parents would have to learn something new. Nah.
and actually be parents for once
If only parental controls would work decently…
But I agree, this should be a matter of education and the parents should be present and educate their children.
Nothing disgusts me more than Puritans.
Hey, teacher, leave the kids alone!
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
In most of EU there are laws that forbid minors to access some products (like, you cannot sell alcool to minors). Don’t see as fascist to make those laws respected.
I mean, if a minor buys a liquor from a store and it is caught, the store pays a fine (or it is temporary closed or whatever the law says), why should be a company that sell pornography (or enable to watch it) not be responsible the same way ? Just because it is on internet and it is a US company ?
Yes, I am familiar with the ‘think of the children!’ Trojan horse tactic.
So in your opinion even the ban to sell alcool to minors is in the “think of the children” category ?
Anyway, the ban to sell pornography to minors date way before internet so what’s the point ? EU is not making a new law, it merely try to look if these companies respect them.
Then I could agree that back at the time, when you need to go to the newsstand to buy “the product” the check was easy and now it is everything but easy. Back at the time you just need to show your ID and that’s all, the newsagent would never remember you and have nothing about you to be stoles.
Now the only problem I see is that the data you could send to verify you are an adult will be stolen (and sold) and that is a problem.No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access
Which is still forbidden, except if you are the parent and you are in your own home or anyway not in a public space. And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
But I don’t know children that can pay for their own alchool either.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.Congratulations, you have found the solution to kids accessing inappropriate content on the internet.
if the kid is educated well, he would refuse watching porn on a website. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
use education instead of invasive age verification systems.
Literally no one but you is arguing about minors accessing porn.
I am not the one saying
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
Meaning, the parents shouldn’t let the child buy stuff on pornhub?
Meaning, the seller should not allow the minor to buy stuff on pornhub.
The law did not say that the minor could not try to buy pornography from the newsstand (or whatever else is forbidden to him) but that the seller could not sell to him.
Same here, a minor could try to buy, the seller must not sell to him. That is valid also for accessing the site.So I fully agree that the EU comission check if this laws is respected also on internet.
For me the only thing to discuss about this is the “how it is done” which can be an interesting discusssion in itself.
But it’s not about selling online but about access. Which is parental responsibility.
Why do we restrict porn at 16 anyway? Make it 13 or 12 to make more sense.
But it’s not about selling online but about access. Which is parental responsibility.
Fully agree.
But I was not against the fact that also the site check if who is trying to access can legally access (and I don’t think the simple “Are you of legal age” question is enough)Why do we restrict porn at 16 anyway? Make it 13 or 12 to make more sense.
It is 18 here, but it can be a nice discussion.
So not just I have to use Tor in Russia for those, but I’ll also have to use non-EU exit nodes. Thank you morons.
I can’t believe the EU would be so inconsiderate to Russians like that.
Yes! Ignoring their main realistic purpose
And not the American states were mandatory age verification is the law.
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