The DSA aims to ensure a safer environment online for minors, in this context, the Commission has opened formal proceedings against Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX, and XVideos for suspected breaches of the Digital Services Act (DSA).
So in your opinion even the ban to sell alcool to minors is in the “think of the children” category ?
Anyway, the ban to sell pornography to minors date way before internet so what’s the point ? EU is not making a new law, it merely try to look if these companies respect them.
Then I could agree that back at the time, when you need to go to the newsstand to buy “the product” the check was easy and now it is everything but easy. Back at the time you just need to show your ID and that’s all, the newsagent would never remember you and have nothing about you to be stoles.
Now the only problem I see is that the data you could send to verify you are an adult will be stolen (and sold) and that is a problem.
No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access
Which is still forbidden, except if you are the parent and you are in your own home or anyway not in a public space. And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
But I don’t know children that can pay for their own alchool either.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Congratulations, you have found the solution to kids accessing inappropriate content on the internet.
if the kid is educated well, he would refuse watching porn on a website. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
use education instead of invasive age verification systems.
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Do you realize that the “effective and responsible methods” are not bullet proof, right ?
I am not arguing that parental control should not be used or that parents should not educated their kid, I am arguing that since these method are based on something that can be easily bypassed (parental control) or you cannot assume as a standard (kid education) the only other alternative is for the site to really check who is accessing.
The 3 things must work together, none of them is a magical solution in itself.
So since we can’t count on all parents to properly parent their child, we’ll just infantilize the entire population and treat every single person as a child by default.
Yeah. Again, I’m familiar with this ‘think of the children!’ line of support for fascism.
And just as a totally coincidental side effect, the censoring tech will allow the government greater tracking of everyone.
Yes, I am familiar with the ‘think of the children!’ Trojan horse tactic.
So in your opinion even the ban to sell alcool to minors is in the “think of the children” category ?
Anyway, the ban to sell pornography to minors date way before internet so what’s the point ? EU is not making a new law, it merely try to look if these companies respect them.
Then I could agree that back at the time, when you need to go to the newsstand to buy “the product” the check was easy and now it is everything but easy. Back at the time you just need to show your ID and that’s all, the newsagent would never remember you and have nothing about you to be stoles.
Now the only problem I see is that the data you could send to verify you are an adult will be stolen (and sold) and that is a problem.
No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
Which is still forbidden, except if you are the parent and you are in your own home or anyway not in a public space. And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
But I don’t know children that can pay for their own alchool either.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Congratulations, you have found the solution to kids accessing inappropriate content on the internet.
if the kid is educated well, he would refuse watching porn on a website. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
use education instead of invasive age verification systems.
Literally no one but you is arguing about minors accessing porn.
I am not the one saying
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Just astoundingly stupid.
Do you realize that the “effective and responsible methods” are not bullet proof, right ?
I am not arguing that parental control should not be used or that parents should not educated their kid, I am arguing that since these method are based on something that can be easily bypassed (parental control) or you cannot assume as a standard (kid education) the only other alternative is for the site to really check who is accessing.
The 3 things must work together, none of them is a magical solution in itself.
So since we can’t count on all parents to properly parent their child, we’ll just infantilize the entire population and treat every single person as a child by default.
Yeah. Again, I’m familiar with this ‘think of the children!’ line of support for fascism.
And just as a totally coincidental side effect, the censoring tech will allow the government greater tracking of everyone.