Is Instagram a modern tool too? Just - felt segregated due to not using it and such shit in my teens, and now it’s apparently something from the past, and I still haven’t used it.

They did. They are not obligated by any rule to limit their associations like some dumb apes do

There’s no WWW anymore. There’s content and there are Internet platforms. You should consume content and and hold your breath for what platforms have for you, as part of a crowd many-many times bigger than the one at Mecca. Not G-d forbid host websites and visit them, read what others have to say, see culture and history of something real.

beyond trying to kill the app via the task manager

Which is exactly what I said, just in shell commands because that’s quicker for me. Except pkill steam kills everything containing steam in the process name, steam is a little bitch spawning a lot of them. Quicker.

What you said sounds like mystic gobbledygook to me.

“Task manager” is not some fundamental term either. Someone who hadn’t use Windows, if there were many of such people, wouldn’t know that it’s a GUI application listing running services and some of the processes.

Mass Linux adoption is still far out of reach for the average user.

If you are going to measure it by what advanced users are used to not being immediately understandable for others, then it is.

Spitting out drones.

A cannon is good, but a vibro-pike like the old days would do too, imagine a robotic lancer charge at some terrified Muslim idiots.

Tried to install Mint on my laptop, wouldn’t work. Googled the issue, had to rename a file in the boot directory for some reason.

UEFI problems, sorry. Would have them with Windows too probably.

Tried again, wouldn’t work. Googled issue, had to turn off secure boot in bios.

Unfortunately Microsoft pushed Secure Boot everywhere, so yes, for most distributions you have to turn it off (some have signed kernels or whatever).

Loading… Loading… Loading… Okay it’s clearly stuck. How do I kill a process on Linux? Google it, okay that’s not too hard. Try launching Steam again, same thing. Google this issue, get a lot of different potential causes, involving delving into some obscure directories.

So removing the ~/.steam directory after doing pkill steam didn’t help? That seems simpler than most Windows tasks. Anyway, I have Steam working even under FreeBSD.

Nobody will believe that you don’t have some Windows experience exceeding what you seem to consider the maximum acceptable requirement for Linux. Don’t even try.

So imagine far in the future scholars discussing, how heavy cavalry revolutionized XXI century warfare.

TBH something really useful would look more like a “General Grievous mode” exoskeleton.

Lightsabers would be good too.

https://www.tcl-lang.org/

Yep, try writing a Gemini client, I just did, it feels well.

For easy things this comes up in Google https://tcljava.sourceforge.net/docs/website/index.html . I was playing with LEGO TBH. EDIT: … in those years

Yes. In 2001. Not just proper design of all the system and all the solutions in it was possible, it was there in flesh, and it was on the market, and it was visible, and the world went the other route.

Literally all of it, engineers sometimes can design logically complete systems, and great engineers sometimes do that with amazingly enormous systems, and one of such people took part in inception of BSD Unix, Internet, RISC and Java, all of them. How the Web should function has already been thought through.

TBH in my childhood I complained about Java applications being slow though.

But with a typical modern website that complaint seems dishonest in retrospective.

OK, I guess I’m just blabbering because of boredom.

A cross-platform environment for applications where fetching them is conveniently automated is not a bad thing.

Using something not intended for that goal is a bad thing. And making it the same thing as the Web.

I’m also confident that Sun went under because of overestimating the pace of industry development, but not its logical direction. When Java was only in the making, it was intended for this exact purpose. Cross-platform, easy development, transparent internals, all that. Designed for it to be possible to make a JVM for almost anything.

It’s so unfair really, they should have won before failing. They are going to win with nobody understanding they won.

In countries like SK or even Japan I’d consider the opportunity that it’s not bribes, just culture. Where average Western European person thinks pluralism is good because of living and letting live, average Middle-Eastern person thinks pluralism is good because it makes their enemies complacent, and average SE Asian person thinks it’s bad because we need order. One can add average Central-Eastern Europeans thinking monopoly can be deserved and it’s practically better if morally worse.

OK, a bunch of stereotypes, sorry.

Try Tk. It’ll be faster or as fast as that, I guarantee that.

I really don’t miss Flash,

Standardized “Flash”, well-sandboxed and separated from the browser itself as it was, would be a good idea though.

to reinvent the ActionScript3 environment and make the entire web depend on it.

Unfortunately the separation part they “solved”.

All these new features exist because websites replaced every single program most people used. Web browser now have to be capable of doing anything pretty well.

Which means that simple cross-platform scripting languages with graphical abilities should have been more popularized.

I discovered tcl/tk for myself recently and it’s just wonderful. A 12 years old me would be capable to learn it, if I knew about it.

What the web browser does well is a sandbox to protect you from all the tits and dicks and “pay us 42 bitcoins” messages. People are afraid of running programs from random sources, but not of visiting random webpages.

So the products they need are a simplified web browser and a sandboxed environment for running things downloaded from it. What we have. Just separated, cause the former is too important to be affected by customer requirements of the latter.

While true, some things we want to simplify are sometimes as simple as they can be.

But saying that, I’m thinking of Java, not of the Web. Java is really a wonderful creation.

Just - sometimes when learning new things I understand that yes, I was right and some thing is too complex and it’s just that, but sometimes that it’s optimal and the “simple” way is even more complex.

IMHO the Web solves two goals, which should be separated. Global hypertext services and serving applications executed on client in a sandbox. The latter is far more complex and demanding for security and efficiency and features, but the former is far more important socially.

Maybe the former should rely upon a simpler and easier technology, like Gemini, and the latter be a kind of applications like an address book or a 2FA application. Where you see a list of imported connections, press “run”, and then over a standard protocol fetch the actual executable application to run in a sandbox. What the Web in practice already is for most people, untied from a global hypertext system. So that we’d have both.

I mean, it’s pretty normal to open magnet links in a different application, or download an RDP connection file and open it in an RDP client.

OK, my brain is asleep.

So I spent two days hacking together a Gemini client script in tcl/tk. It’s near 700 lines already, some of those are dead weight (client certs, stuck cause pki module in tcllib doesn’t know of hashing algorithms newer than sha256), but it’s usable for reading pages, viewing images, saving either and answering prompts, with basic history. A fully functional client is supposed to be doable in 1-2 days in like 200 lines of code in something. So it’s a clumsy mess.

And yes, it feels like it’s a lot of what we need web for. Suppose I got client certs working and this were a Gemini service. I’d follow a link saying “post something”, I’d type this comment into a prompt and send the request, and on the next update it would be here, right under CN from my client cert used as nickname. One could have such links under every comment. One could build threads.

So maybe yes.

Russia and China are not communism btw. :shocked Pikachu:

Still ruled by descendants of communists who took power in those countries, though.

Strong deja vu with Russia. I thought the expansion strategy of Putin’s relatives\friends won’t prove successful in other places.

OK, nothing new, these things were in every second movie from 1960s-now touching upon power and governments and mafia. Just something went wrong, either in the balance or we see more.