The DSA aims to ensure a safer environment online for minors, in this context, the Commission has opened formal proceedings against Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX, and XVideos for suspected breaches of the Digital Services Act (DSA).
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Do you realize that the “effective and responsible methods” are not bullet proof, right ?
I am not arguing that parental control should not be used or that parents should not educated their kid, I am arguing that since these method are based on something that can be easily bypassed (parental control) or you cannot assume as a standard (kid education) the only other alternative is for the site to really check who is accessing.
The 3 things must work together, none of them is a magical solution in itself.
So since we can’t count on all parents to properly parent their child, we’ll just infantilize the entire population and treat every single person as a child by default.
Yeah. Again, I’m familiar with this ‘think of the children!’ line of support for fascism.
And just as a totally coincidental side effect, the censoring tech will allow the government greater tracking of everyone.
So since we can’t count on all parents to properly parent their child, we’ll just infantilize the entire population and treat every single person as a child by default.
Any other solution to suggest aside the two obvious ones to use when the two obvious ones fail ?
Because face it: there are parents that don’t properly parent their child and I suppose that we agree that also these child should be protected in some way.
Yeah. Again, I’m familiar with this ‘think of the children!’ line of support for fascism.
And again, I don’t think that making sure that a law that already exist in the physical world is held valid also on internet is fascim.
We are not living under a fascism regime even if we are subjected to laws that ban something, be it minor accessing porn material, minors accessing alchool or adults driving while drunk or too fast.
And just as a totally coincidental side effect, the censoring tech will allow the government greater tracking of everyone.
Now, that is something we can talk about trying to solve a problem, how to check these kind of things without tracking or unecessary privacy invasion.
You don’t understand. The tracking and spying is the entire point of the maneuver. The ‘children are accessing porn’ thing is just a Trojan horse to justify the spying.
As you pointed out, it’s already illegal for them to access it, and parents are legally required to prevent their children from accessing it. But you don’t lock down the entire population, or institute pre-crime surveillance policies, just because some parents are not going to follow the law. You then charge the guilty parents after the offense.
Literally no one but you is arguing about minors accessing porn.
I am not the one saying
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Just astoundingly stupid.
Do you realize that the “effective and responsible methods” are not bullet proof, right ?
I am not arguing that parental control should not be used or that parents should not educated their kid, I am arguing that since these method are based on something that can be easily bypassed (parental control) or you cannot assume as a standard (kid education) the only other alternative is for the site to really check who is accessing.
The 3 things must work together, none of them is a magical solution in itself.
So since we can’t count on all parents to properly parent their child, we’ll just infantilize the entire population and treat every single person as a child by default.
Yeah. Again, I’m familiar with this ‘think of the children!’ line of support for fascism.
And just as a totally coincidental side effect, the censoring tech will allow the government greater tracking of everyone.
Any other solution to suggest aside the two obvious ones to use when the two obvious ones fail ?
Because face it: there are parents that don’t properly parent their child and I suppose that we agree that also these child should be protected in some way.
And again, I don’t think that making sure that a law that already exist in the physical world is held valid also on internet is fascim.
We are not living under a fascism regime even if we are subjected to laws that ban something, be it minor accessing porn material, minors accessing alchool or adults driving while drunk or too fast.
Now, that is something we can talk about trying to solve a problem, how to check these kind of things without tracking or unecessary privacy invasion.
You don’t understand. The tracking and spying is the entire point of the maneuver. The ‘children are accessing porn’ thing is just a Trojan horse to justify the spying.
As you pointed out, it’s already illegal for them to access it, and parents are legally required to prevent their children from accessing it. But you don’t lock down the entire population, or institute pre-crime surveillance policies, just because some parents are not going to follow the law. You then charge the guilty parents after the offense.