I have a suspicion they put the gas turbines near those communities specifically to fuck with them the same way they bulldozed poor neighborhoods for roads
Well they probably are poor and thus have less means to defend themselves.
More likely bully tactics: they have little resources to fight it.
It’s sad that the norm is to expect those in power will try to ruin lives as fast and as efficiently as possible. Just why… They have billions of dollars already… Why
Bunch of Harkonnen scumbags.
Because they’re in a race against each other that they can never win. Elon Musk may have gotten a little wiggle room from his competition when SpaceX went public but you can bet your ass (cause I know all of you don’t have a dollar to waste) Larry Page is running his brain ragged trying to think about how he becomes the most powerful one. It’s just a pissing contest and unfortunately they’re really careless
To billionaires money is just like a high score in an arcade cabinet. And they’re also evil.
I ask myself the same question. It feels like such an empty life. More and more money that they would need many lifetimes to be able to spend, which will be worth absolutely useless if and when they end up fucking up the whole world. It doesn’t make sense at all. Yes, it’s nice to have money to buy whatever you want, I won’t argue that, but come on. At this point I’m leaning towards them just having so much fucking ego that they can’t stop anymore. If anyone has another possible explanation, I’d really like to know.
Meanwhile if you put a couple of solar panels on your roof without filling out nineteen different forms in triplicate, providing a notarized drawing by a licensed architectural firm, paying $2000 in fees plus enduring the eleven month processing time, your local code authority will put a lien on your property and send a SWAT team to your house.
Has this happened?
It’s one part hyperbole, one part true.
Wasn’t this protected by the State because alleged DoD application? This is one of many reasons we cut it with England, just saying.
The sheep’s are sleeping, no one will do something about this. Welcome to the reality.
Infrastructure still has real-world costs.
Why does it matter if the community is inhabitated my residents of a dark skin color?
- Are Lemmy users really that fixated on skin color?
- Are we in that need for upvotes and non-existant karma
- Do you want to spark controversial discussions?
Why did you do felt the need to mention “black communities”.
And don’t tell me it’s because you copy pasted the title of the source article or something.The entire point of that is exposing his prejudices. I don’t know how you miss that kinda thing.
It has absolutely nothing to do with their Lemmy account, or the controversy.
Would it matter if it was near 100k white instead of 100k black residents?
No, 100k residents are actively being harmed.So you can’t read I guess.
Bruh.
Sure thing buddy. If that makes you feel better?I see humans. Not black, white, yellow, rainbow colored humans.
Minorities are oppressed and fucked with. That is for sure. Needing to call it “black” in a headline instead of “minority” is cloaked racism in of itself.
So you are ok with writing “… placed near oppressed community” but not specifying what group?
And that’s great for you. But had nothing to do with what I said as the original answer.
So clean your digital ears out a bit, and maybe repetition (with free bonus expansion) will help.
The point was specifying Elon’s particular flavor of oppression.
Had nothing to do with speaking Lemmy controversy, or hinting that one kind of racism was worse than another.
Hoping you get the point now.
Beyond the angle already mentioned about Musk’s racism, black communities in the US have disproportionately been affected by polluting industries. It is worth mentioning when it happens yet again.
I understand your point but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
"These pollutants are proven to have adverse effects on the health of the people living within a five-mile radius of the source, and census data showed that the residents living in the affected area are predominantly black. "
If you watch Errol Musk’s interview about non white people in US, combine it with the knowledge of the type of similar asshole Elon is, it is not at all surprising that he knew the effects of such turbines and selected this location on purpose. It is not at all surprising that Elon would have an agenda where he tried to reduce non-white population because he thinks he is saving humanity by doing so. Ofcourse you can’t put in the headine something like “Elon, being a racist asshole, placed turbines near black communities” that is too biased and too speculative for news reporting. You can only present facts that are associated to this and let the reader decide. It is still biased and leading but atleast you allow the reader to form their own opinion to a much greater extend.
I understand your point
First reasonable response
but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
Both position (mine and you (+ seemingly the whole thread)) can be true.
Thanks for explaining your position.
It mattered to Musk that there are Black communities to fuck with, so why not mention that.
Sure. But that’s not a headline thing that needs mentioning.
Instead it should be something like “In his racism fanaticism, Musk ordered XY gas turbines to be installed especially near residents (of a minority”.
Can that can’t be proven to be actually cause of racism (it likely is).
But the other headline (currently being used) is also racial profiling.
And don’t tell me it’s because you copy pasted the title of the source article or something.
Well yeah, it’s usually good practice not to change the source article’s title.
Do I think the “black communities” part was necessary in the title? Not really. But if the author decided to frame it like that, and OP wanted to repost it as-is, I see no issue with that.
Balanced take. I can support that angle.
I swear I read an article about this months ago… is it the same data center and they still didn’t stop the gas turbines, or is this another one?
Either way: fuck Musk and fuck the government who laid the foundations for such atrocities.
it’s more turbines, not sure if it’s the same site or another
These new ones erase the old ones. Do over!
No, Grok has been classified by the DOJ as vital national security infrastructure and is not allowed to be shut down.
I haven’t had coffee yet. Is this sarcasm?
No,that was portable generator trucks that were not ‘installed’. This is new.
You’re right!
So, from bad to worse…
No, no. Don’t look at it like that. They didn’t stop the trucks AFAIK.
It’s bad and worse!
This would be a great time for an injunction to force the data center to shut down all of those turbines until the matter has been resolved legally.
Of course you need to be able to pay for a lawyer who convinces a judge to pass that injunction.
House Republicans include a 10-year ban on US states regulating AI in ‘big, beautiful’ bill
We’re at a point where we have to ask whether laws passed are legal.
Did that pass the Byrd bath?
We should be asking that IMO. Typically, the courts decide whether laws are constitutional or legal.
A judge that Musk and Trump have bought? Or a real judge? Do you have any of those left?
I’m pretty sure that if a judge would grant that injunction there’d be one less a week later.
Funny how the self proclaimed savior of humanity keeps treating regulations like optional DLC: If anyone else ran 59 gas turbines without permits they would be buried in fines. Billionaires call it innovation, everyone breathing nearby calls it another asthma attack waiting to happen.
Don’t worry, it’s only affecting a poor area. No billionairs are affected.
keeps treating regulations like optional DLC
He, like any shillionaire, sees people as NPCs.
That’s why he was so enthusiastic to kill infants, children, teens and adults by cutting USAID.
If he’s ever admitted to a hospital, I genuinely hope that he’s left to suffer and rot.
These fuckers don’t go to hospitals, they have personal clinics and on call concierge doctors anywhere anytime.
One man harming thousands. Sounds like a crime that would be punishable by death in olden times.
There was an incident in South Korea some years ago where a greedy developer built an apartment building with substandard concrete; the building later collapsed and killed a few hundred people. The guy was tried and convicted and as he was being frog-marched to his sentencing hearing, friends and relatives of the victims were coming out of the crowd and beating him while his escorts just looked away.
It’s really enjoyable to imagine that happening here in the US, but then it’s enjoyable to imagine winning the lottery, too.
Vietnam would have had him executed by now
People like this would be shot. People would group together and hire gunmen to get rid of criminals in the old west.
Of course their security was just a few body guards and that’s it. Nobody was living in high tech buildings separate from everyone else.
It’s still punishable by death! Not legally, officially, but very much in reality!
Sounds like just anothwr day in the USA
Can someone just shoot the bastard?
Seriously…
If we are to learn from history, and the successes of various resistance groups in Europe when occupied by the Nazis, we would learn that targetting the higher ups and figureheads don’t work. What DOES work, is targeting the workers - the average people who facilitate the machine. When the architect of the holocaust was assassinated, it only sped things up and made it worse. So instead resistance groups started doing drive bys on average ol’ Deborah’s and Johns who was employed to operate the Nazi bureaucracy, do the paperwork, doing the monitoring, doing the deliveries, average folk who worked for them - as destabilizing the machinery is far more effective than targeting figureheads. As leftists know so well - it’s the workers that do all the work.
So rather than shooting Musk, it will genuinely be more effective to shoot at Tesla/SpaceX/X employees until they stop showing up to work. Same goes for banks, private equity firms, hedge funds, healthcare insurance companies, etc. They don’t even have security detail. There’s a million other jobs they could be doing, real work like helping to rebuild, instead they choose to make these demons dreams come true in exchange for a financial bribe. As my atheist father would say about religion - “I fear not the cult leader, but the millions who follow them.” Workers and employees of these companies are just as fair, and empirically more effective targets than the billionaire CEOs.
…In a videogame, of course. I would never incite
self-defenceviolence.Other methods are also acceptable.
Beaten to death with a used toilet brush.
call me a conservative, but I think we need to stick to traditional laws . . .
You mean good traditional values the conservatives push for? Like the good ol days.
Some polonium tee, hopefully
Did someone say Nowitschok?
Or at least sabotage the facility?
As Trump is learning with Iran, if you make enemies by the millions, you risk awakening a plumber.
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It needs to die ugly. All the musk children need to die or be sterilized. Everything it cares about needs to end, and be thrown into wherever we decide to dispose of used nuclear fuel.
Vivian is pretty chill from what I can tell.
And has been disowned. And many trans people choose to he incapable of reproduction. So probably double-safe.
Shoot him into space on one of his or Bezos’ rockets. Watch him explode as a result of the very thing he tried to accomplish.
Spacexs operational rockers are a standard of reliability
Blue needs a operational launchpad first, they kinda blew up their only one
Also that would be a rather quick death
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I work in emissions monitoring and this is super illegal.
Specifically which part is illegal? Is it lack of planning permission? Is it an environmental law? Etc.
Not really. If he has permissions for a temporary install, it is above board. He just needs to get a permanent permit before moving to a long term generator instead of temporary fixes.
Should the permissions have been blocked? Now that’s a diff question
So you’re just going to parrot Elon Musk’s public statement about why he doesn’t need permission? Get outta here!
He has more than 2x as many turbines than is allowed for a temporary install. The article makes it abundantly clear that these things are illegal.
Musk doesn’t have permission to do this, no matter what excuse he gives.
Its only illegal if someone prosecutes them. That isn’t going to happen before the purge.
Since when has illegality stopped
parasitesrich people?Yup, the “penalty costs” are just costs of doing business. And the richer they get, the less impactful the penalty is so it gets easier to write off.
While I hate being cold to peoples suffering, didn’t most of them vote for the face eating leopard party. They asked for their corporate overlords personal profit to be protected from their lungs, their environment, any consideration. They asked for billionaires to be above the law.
They are clearly being wronged here, there should be heavy fines, shutdowns and even jail time but my empathy is in short supply
Blacks typically vote mostly for Democrats while whites typically vote for Republicans. So black neighborhoods are commonly not getting representation.
Mississippi is about as Jim Crow as it can possibly be, so it doesn’t surprise me if white supremacist elected officials are pushed into office via gerrymandering, voter suppression and election tampering.
Yeah it was like 86% Harris from African Americans.
About 40% of Mississippi voters voted for Kamala Harris. Additionally, about 38% of the state’s residents are black.
Just because they voted for a leopard to eat their face, doesn’t mean they deserve to have their face eaten
The other side of the duopoly would be doing the same, they both need to be removed.
People are downvoting because they can’t reconcile one side being better than the other with both sides being bad. Is sacrificing citizens for AI companies a partisan issue? Does the mainstream democratic party oppose the unsustainable construction of data centers and what happens to people near those data centers?
The lesser of two evils is still evil
The people might want to ask themselves about the illusion of choice. The duopoly never loses, it’s all a right wing con, the filthy rich are always in control.
Maybe try democracy and vote for a different party…
Without voting reform there can only be two parties.
The only mention of a party named ‘reform’ I have previously heard of is in the uk, where reform is a far right party, the uk have multiple other parties, just as every real democracy does.
The reform party in the USA apparently doesn’t even have ballot access. You have political parties that cannot be voted for? wtaf
There are other options, but the USA is the least democratic ‘democracy’ that has ever existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
I mean the voting system needs to be reformed. There is no reform party, and cannot be because the voting system allows for only two parties. If Tucker Carlson or whoever manages to create a different far right party that steals more than 5% but less than 95% of the vote from the current far right party, that’s bad for far right voters because the less right party will always come out ahead in major elections.
Im sure the American legal system will get those wheels of justice spinning on this in a few years.
No, but Julia Roberts and Meryl Streep will win hella Oscars playing the plucky white women who “take them down.”
My city finally got a court order against a billionaire for unpermitted building that allows us to bulldoze his house. Just took 7 years in court to get the ruling…
And instead of bulldozing the house, we were able to use the court order to strongarm them into fixing their site so it no longer damages the environment, their neighbors, or city infrastructure.
The upside for the city there (aside from having to bid out and manage a major project in-house) is that we get a lot more tax revenue from a house that is brought into compliance than a scarred, demolished site.
training wheels of justice
Musk will power those spinning wheels himself with his natural gas turbines.
/s
Remember that anthropic are renting this data center, and should be seen as just as responsible as Musk.
https://www.theverge.com/science/935229/spacex-anthropic-ipo-ai-capacity-deal-colossus
Also Musk is such a loser, he built and ran this giant polluting data center without knowing what to do with it, and ended up renting it out at what looks like a loss.
Along with any dipshit using AI to begin with. As much of a complete piece of shit as musk is (and he is a HUGE piece of shit), the end users of this shit share in the blame too. Any idiot using grok or whatever the fuck anthropic call their horseshit are culpable.
To a proportionate degree yes, but AI is being shoved down the throats of workers and subsidized by the companies providing it too. I have some sympathy for the clueless grandma, or the person who’s genuinely lost their mind thanks to this.
I have zero sympathy for the willfully ignorant. There’s more than enough information and evidence that this shit is horrible on many fronts, and anyone who has managed to ignore it is toeing into dangerously stupid territory. Making excuses for dumb assholes is how we’ve ended up with the stupidest cunts ever running things.
Dario Amodei is the one renting out the servers while pretending to he’s the Wholesome Ethical AI Guy. His behavior is nearly on par with Musk here.
I’m much more interested in him (behavior that’s extremely intentional, with the added slime of being deceptive and yet enjoying a ton of undeserved, fawning PR) than the average clueless Meemaw. Similar to many other trash systems, you have to look at the people maintaining the system, not the people using it.
