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One episode of How Money Works (this one, I think) talks about how the AI and tech companies would simultaneously insist that Chinese AI was a national security problem (and therefore we should deregulate AI research) while simultaneously arguing they should be allowed to sell their chips to China.
That was before Chinese models made some serious gains and is catching up to the capability of Anthropic.
So the AI sector here in the States has been duplicitous about its status.
Also in recent news (like here), OpenAI is seeking to borrow $1.5 trillion while only expecting to make $20 billion in profits.
Also prices have risen on AI tokens, to the point they exceed the salaries of the workers AI was allegedly going to replace.
I think the US AI sector promised too much and has been trying to catch up by feeding more and more resources to the development process. I remember some sci-fi stories / hypotheticals about self-replicating AI being asked a super-difficult question and in an effort to get smart enough to answer it, the AI system ate the earth. We’re doing exactly that, except with humans involved, who can’t seem to help themselves.
Their messaging is wildly inconsistent. They try different talking points and see what sticks.
It’s the same with “AI will take people’s jobs” line repeated to investors and CEOs, and later disavowed when speaking to a general public more and more hostile to AI companies
Again a “if you don’t do as I like, then I will shoot my foot” threatening from dump
go ahead, the Chinese models would still continue to improve for the rest of the world, American users will pay 10x token prices, and all the American companies that spent billions to build massive datacenters just to run the Chinese open models won’t have anything to run. Just go to watch how many American companies are offering glm 5.2 via api: https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5.2#providers (half the list, like 15 different ones, totally not a bubble)
If you have to rely on government to defend your big business against smaller competitors, then your business model sucks.
Of course, in this very-late stage of capitalism, the primary model for large companies is lobbying government to pass anti-competitive legislature and to get free money.
Just FYI model wrights are protected under the first amendment like encryption is
It took longer than I thought. Anything better and more affordable than what the US oligarchs offer must be banned. I’m blown away by how backwards thinking the US has become as a whole. They are starting to look like that schizophrenic cousin that is always freaking out about someone installing a transceiver in their head 😵💫
They also band Chinese EV cars but then don’t produce their own EV cars. Meaning the US will still be dependant on oil prices meanwhile China will use their own domestic product to protect themselves from increasingly unstable oil supplies. The US was offered the same opportunity to protect themselves and explicitly prohibited it.
I should go into politics it really doesn’t seem all that difficult. Been remotely competent does not appear to be a requirement.
They also banned Huawei based on dubious accusations.
Tried a Huawei phone last year. The software kicks ass, the hardware is top notch, and it’s got a god damn 10x optical zoom camera. All while being cheaper than a Pixel. Of course they had to ban it.
My last phone was a Huawei Ascend P7. I always use my phones until they break or my apps stop working, which was the case with the Huawei, it still works, but the Android version was too old, so my banking app stopped working. Anyway, I used that phone for more than 7 years. And the battery still lasted more than a day by the time I had to replace it. Even the UI wasn’t terrible.
My current phone is reaching the 7 year mark as well, and I ordered a new one which should arrive in a month or so. Hopefully it will also survive for 7+ years (Jolla phone this time).
Anyway, yeah, nothing but good things to say about the Huawei device I had.
Jolla seems promising, hope it works out well for you!
It’s an imploding empire with an oligarchy willing to sacrifice the planet and its populace for wealth and power, no different to Putin and Russias oligarchy… They can only plug the holes for so long before the cracks cannot be filled and the whole ship sinks.
politics it really doesn’t seem all that difficul
You have to come up with semi believable nonsense on the spot, with a straight face, while having some sort of charm and playing the crowds, and do it for enough people are willing to give you money. It’s a skill if not a talent. Most people freak with giving a PowerPoint presentation. Of course that skill has absolutely nothing to do with good governance.
Competent people are prevented from getting in, then prevented from doing anything if/once they’re there. Getting into Congress, for example, is just one tiny battle. Now you get to try to legislate. Lol.
The main requirements are sucking trump’s dick and bending over for aipac, can you handle that? I couldn’t.
I don’t think it was Trump that banned EVs I think that happened under the biden administration because the US car companies couldn’t compete. I’m still not all that clear on why they can’t just make better cars, why is that so hard to do?
I mean, US is the country that classified encryption as munition in the '50s and tried to ban its export in the '50s and then limit it again in the '90s and then on and off since then. 🤷
Can’t compete? Ban it!
I saw a movie last weekend and there was an ad before the film for tiktok. The ad was super “wholesome” and about this dude who I’m sure is legitimately a great guy. He uploads “Dad” lessons on things like tying a tie and whatnot.
I couldn’t help but think that both US political parties were in lock-step just a few years ago that tiktok was a national security threat because it was a vector for foreign propaganda. Now that the American side of tiktok is owned by Larry Ellison, it’s not only no longer a “national security threat,” it’s a wholesome place where you can find trusted information from real people who are doing it just because they care.
It made me wanna puke.
Even under the Biden administration the Tiktok ban was nothing more than protectionism. A non US social network corrupting US kids? GTFO only US social networks can do that.
🎶"It’s the American Wayyyyyy!" 🎵
Free-market capitalism loving Americans when they can’t genocide their way to a monopoly.
Sure would be nice to have a bunch of sub $20,000 evs right now… Maybe some CATL batteries… Or a $15,000 Toyota truck.
So they are just banning businesses that could find use for AI. They will just leave the US.
Even capitalism doesn’t like to compete with capitalism
an intelligent business would take a long, hard look at their practices and their leadership and find out why they’re failing so hard.
another obvious sign america is run by idiots–we can’t even do business right even though it’s all we supposedly care about.
I wonder if it’s more about control. AI can be trained to provide biased feedback. For example, if someone asks AI “Is China is a dictatorship?” it might respond with “yes it is blah blah blah” or it could be like “dictatorship might not be the right description for China and it really depends on the definition of dictatorship”.
If the next generation is to grow up using AI, they will be silently steered in the direction of certain beliefs. No government wants another country having that much influence over their citizens.
Anthropic just announced that Fable 5 is now included in all Max plans. Looks like Kimi K3 got under their skin a bit.
For a brief moment, I had a picture in my head of some Hatsune Miku-style fashion models and it piqued my interest.
but ai is inevitable! it can’t be stopped! it’s impossible to regulate!
Do you think it’s likely the Trump administration will successfully ban cutting-edge Chinese AI models? Especially given how most of the world is not in fact under American jurisdiction?
The headline is not suggesting that the trump administration plans to ban Chinese AI models from existing anywhere in the world, it obviously means they plan to ban them in the US.
Same question though. They might ban them from government computers, etc. They won’t actually stop people from accessing them.
Yeah. They’ll be out there in the rest of the world, which Americans can get them from.
Unless they want to go full authoritarian and close down their Internet with their own version of the Great Firewall, I guess. That would be ironic.
The whole point of corruption is that powerful agents are no longer bound by rules in any way that matters.
Sure, “ban” those models. The way insider trading is banned. The way sex with minors is banned. The way felons in office are banned. The way taking state secrets home with you is banned.
That’s not going to work, because we broke it on purpose.
Good luck banning it. They’re are so many worse off things… Like Meta, Google, and Palintir.
Like Meta, Google, and Palintir.
You named all US things that the oligarchs profit off of. They’ll never ban anything that they profit off of. They want to ban the Chinese models because they compete with the corps that these fucks are invested in. It’s always greed when it comes to us political decisions
Oh for sure, I named those specifically for that reason lol
You Wouldn’t Torrent A GGUF
… really, how could they actually ban specific models? From business use? Yeah sure, ok, but… there’s no way to fully ban some particular kind of data.
Just another subsidy to the idiot pedophile rapist owner class that can’t even run anything well.
They don’t need to ban them with absolution, just make it “risky enough” to chill their usage and prop up OpenAI/Anthropic.
GGUFs are already a tiny fraction of LLM usage, TBH. So are vllm deployments.
They’re only a tiny fraction now…
I really don’t care either way if Trump decides to further cripple the capital class, what businesses are able to use.
Just hastens the collapse of the bubble these idiots created.
It mostly cripples the small businesses, though. The biggest enterprise customers are already using OpenAI/Claude anyway, while it was little guys looking to reduce cost, fine tune, run stuff privately or whatever.
TBH a huge problem with the industry is consolidation; there are no open US models because startups gets squashed or vacuumed up into a black hole. I’ve seen it happen to really interesting projects. And this is just going to make that dramatically worse.
It’s easy to say “bring the bubble,” but I fear it won’t. I think we’re entering an actual cyberpunk future, where corporate failure is just propped up.
in efforts to avoid the ban, ai modelers have started naming their models TrumpIsGreat or TrumpIsNotAPedo to sway the mercurial rapist felon octogenarian
Perplexity sorta did this, last year:
https://huggingface.co/unsloth/r1-1776
https://web.archive.org/web/20250219025612/https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/open-sourcing-r1-1776
But they took it all down, lol. They even removed the blog post from their website.
But seriously though, no one in the research community likes Trump. And they were calling out Altman before anyone.
