Why YSK: Even if you don’t own a gun, there is a chance you can encounter one at the home of a friend or family member. These are the four core rules of gun safety, but the same can be used with airsoft/paintball guns, nerf or even chemical spray bottles!
First, treat every firearm as if it were loaded. Even if it was clear the last time you saw it. If looking at a gun with someone else and they assure you it’s not loaded, you can respectfully ask them to clear it in front of you before you handle it yourself.
Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy. Pretend there is a lazer beam coming from the barrel. Don’t let that “beam” point at anyone. That is known as “flagging”. In nearly all cases keeping the barrel pointing down between your feet is a good move.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. This includes the whole trigger guard area. Most people keep their finger on the frame well above the trigger guard, pointing their finger in the same direction as the barrel. This is known as “trigger discipline”.
Finally be sure of your target and what’s behind it. Bullets can still travel a long way even after they pass through a target. If you are target shooting make sure there is a solid backstop. If in a real life situation you must positively ID the threat, no shooting at shadows or noises.
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Before I ever got a firearm, or before that paintball gun, I had this driven into me regarding power tools. I hold a drill the same way I hold a gun which I’ve been made fun of for, but I’ve never caught my clothes in a drill bit, or cut myself with a hole cutter like others I know. I also always put the safety on.
Maintenance should probably be in there too: A poorly maintained firearm is potentially dangerous to the user.
Doing proper maintenance is more applicable to someone who owns or is responsible for firearms. I think the rule for the casual finder would be adding something like “assume moving any part of the gun may cause something inside to explode”.
The rule for a casual finder would be to not touch it at all: If you find a random firearm, leave it the hell alone and report it to the authorities. It could be a weapon used in a crime and it’s probably not a great idea to get your fingerprints on it.
Does every gun store have a jar for rounds they found in guns that have been handed to them?
No. That would require too many jars, and seems like a waste of ammo.
I’ve never so much as touched a gun and I know all of this. I suppose I’ve just absorbed it through constant contact in my peripheral. Recent movies are getting trigger discipline better, but TV shows still get it wrong.
Also, couldn’t most of this also apply to things like industrial paint guns or grease guns given the very real possibility for a horrible death by high-pressure injection with those?
I practice safe handling with the handheld barcode scanners at the hardware store checkout.
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Do not point the scanner at anything you do not intend to scan.
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Keep your finger away from the trigger until you’re ready to scan.
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Be aware of your surroundings including what is behind your target.
I would extend it to any gunlike, or vaguely gun shaped object, even those that cannot cause harm. Don’t become complacent with safety practices even when it doesn’t matter.
#AllGunsMatter
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industrial paint guns or grease guns
So all guns then…?
“High pressure injection” made me think of some gruesome deaths from paint and grease that I’m certainly sure can’t be what you mean 😬 vivid picture though.
There is a good Hydraulic press video of high-pressure injections into clear ballistic gel, and it’s fuckin wild. You can have something that looks like a little dribble of water coming out of a flexible line. Grab the line to remove it and bam, you just had a bunch of hydraulic fluid shot into your bloodstream, which will create an oil embolism and kill you.
Holmatro does as well, specifically with that injury being simulated using a ballistic gel arm with fake bones in it, at 750 bar/10.4k psi. The oil from that simulated 10.4k psi leak blew right through that fake hand.
I kinda don’t wanna imagine how terrible that would be to happen to someone in the real world if they touched an actual leaky hose at those pressures in the field. Also…
…you just had a bunch of hydraulic fluid shot into your bloodstream, which will create an oil embolism and kill you.
- Or, you’ll lose a limb from infection, degloving (literally losing your skin) is also a thing from stuff like this, again, due to infection, this sorta thing is horrible to happen to a person.
That’d have to be at close range though, to create some sort of a temporary seal, right (as far as my physics intuition says)? Otherwise it should behave roughly similar to water in an open environment, where it would have to be the speed of the jet hitting you that does the raw damage.
Yeah, you pretty much need surface to surface contact.
Hard pass on that Jesus.
Basically, if pressure from a stream of liquid is high enough, 100psi/6.8bar is enough to hurt a person, it’ll break your skin and there’s your injection; this is why for, say, anyone working in the diesel mech field, for example, never touching a leaking fuel line is rule #1 because of the immense pressures those are typically under, which will result in a hydraulic injection injury if ever touched, basically as Bytemeister already pointed out.
Industrial paint guns or grease guns also operate under high enough pressures to cause an injection injury.
TIL that’s a big no thanks from me. I’ll stay far and away from any leaking fuel lines.
Some years ago I acted as crew on an ultra-low budget film. We didn’t have the budget for simulated firearms so we had to use real ones. Everyone involved in the project agreed that extreme care was warranted. We made certain that there was no live ammunition anywhere near the set. Firearms were locked up unless they were being held by a trained crew member or an actor. The actors were all taught the basics of how their firearms operated and how to check the chambers. The prop handlers and actors checked every firearm every time it changed hands, even when they had just watched the person who handed it to them check the chamber.
With all of that in place, we still insisted on following the other rules as well. Trigger discipline was maintained at all times, including while filming scenes. Camera angles were adjusted so that firearms never had to pointed at anyone or anything that we were not willing to damage. Actors were careful to keep their firearms pointed in the safe directions that had been arranged, even when simulating their use.
It was a fair amount of trouble and it added time to a very tight operation, but there were absolutely no incidents, or near incidents, or concerns that there might be an incident. That is how everyone who handles firearms should treat them in real life. It takes a little time and attention, but it isn’t difficult. And following even one of the safety rules makes it impossible for anyone to be hurt accidentally.
Learning and following the safety rules is a cheap investment for the benefit of not accidentally killing someone.
Someone should have told Baldwin
With reading this I’m always amazed that incidents like the rust movie still happen.
If you set things up like this where everyone checks each other as well, it becomes really hard to somehow get a bullet on set, and then in a gun…
We were fortunate to have a producer/director who felt strongly about safety and was willing to spend the extra time necessary. A lot of the time, especially for productions that are running on a shoestring, everyone is pushed very hard to reduce the time and cost to an absolute minimum. The low pay selects for inexperienced armorers and the time constraints means that the armorer is constantly being pressured not to “waste” any time. An armorer who is believed to have “slowed down” a production may be fired and will have trouble finding more work. That is what happens everywhere when money is more important than people.
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Lastly, secure your firearms you uncultured swines that don’t.
Not only for your safety, but the safety of your children if you have some. I hate that people don’t follow this rule.
Saw an article recently about this 10 year old who shot his dad in the head while the dad slept next to the mother. Kid found the key to the gun storage when searching for the Nintendo Switch his dad took away from him, and he was angry at the dad, found the gun… Now he has no dad. Mom woke up to a loud bang and the sound of liquid pouring on the floor.
Devastating read. Really tragic.
That’s horrible! That’s why I went for a safe with a fingerprint reader. Easier access for me and harder access for the kids.
This is the way. Store your ammo separately too.
Where I grew up you had to store weapons in two distinct places, like part of the firing mechanism in one.
But I’m not usanian so I don’t need to dream about grabbing a GUN and fight off The Bad Guys. I don’t even have a firearm.
Does that come with a backup generator in case they cut off electricity?
It doesn’t need backup power. It’s just a small gun safe for a pistol.
Thieves love those. Just by looking at it, you know there’s a gun in there. They’re light and small enough you can pick up and steal the whole thing, no problem. Then, you can smash it open when you get somewhere else with no tools required. If you spike it like a football with both hands onto concrete and concentrate the force onto one of the lid’s corners, it’ll pop right open after a few tries. Most of the hinges can also be easily attacked if you have some basic tools and need to be quiet.
Does it have its own battery then? What does the fingerprint reader use to draw power?
It has disposable batteries and a charging port. It’s similar to this model.
Boy he’ll really regret using an electronic safe when the world runs entirely out of batteries for six straight months
I’m thinking if that happens, there will be enough reason since a while back to already have taken the gun out 😅
They come with keys too, lol.
also the safety of the children and general community what live around you (if they enter into your calculations). when i was growing up, the neighbor was a professor at the prestigious university down the way. they thought it was enough to teach their kid gun safety and store the gun in a safe place in their room and for their house it was. problem was some dipshit who wanted to roll with the norteños across the way. broke into the professor’s place, took their gun, shot at some other dipshits and was fortunately a terrible shot. ditched the gun, the police recovered it and brought it back. fortunately we were already paying our bribes so when they came around asking and i told them i didn’t know, they believed me (they knew my tells already when i lied: we played poker for halloween candy thursdays after
karatebribe practice and i suuuucked at poker😘)In hindsight it’s a small miracle neither I, my siblings, or my cousins ever got ourselves or someone else hurt with the guns that were casually left out at my grandparents’ house. It was drilled into me to never touch them without someone watching me first, but what if I’d just not given a fuck, you know? I can’t imagine doing the same with a kid today. Different times.
Average Aussie here… aside from on the hip of a police officer, the blokes moving money or on video, I haven’t even seen a gun in over 20 years… good post for those who do hang around guns though
Unfortunately here in the US it’s increasingly pertinent information. It makes me want to pack up my family and leave to somewhere sane (er).
Australia is a great place, except that everything that isn’t a gun is also trying to kill you.
New Zealand is like Aus’s overly earnest cousin, but has better internet and not even on most maps.
Not true. In Australia, except for the sharks, spiders, snakes, bees, crocodiles, drop bears, mosquitoes, jellyfish, scorpions, ants, bats, fish, snails, dingoes, centipedes, wasps, octopuses, possums, ticks, sea snakes, emus and other birds, there’s really not much trying to kill you.
/s (yes, the should not be necessary, but have you met people)
Don’t forget that bush that makes you want to die.
Because guns are ubiquitous in the US, I taught our son, and his friends these rules as soon as they were able to understand and remember them, e.g. 10-13 years old. This is because should they encounter guns somewhere they need to immediately know if those firearms are being handled safely. And I told them to immediately leave the area to f they ever come across people handling guns in an unsafe manner.
Guns are still a thing here in Australia. It’s just more balanced and reasonable than the USA.
My town has a shooting club, game reserves and is surrounded by farms. Seasonally we wake up to the sound of gunfire in the distance from hunters.
I’ve known professional people in the heart of our biggest cities who love nothing more than to head out bush and shoot feral animals when they can.
You won’t stumble onto a firearm at your kids school for obvious reasons but there could be some under lock and key in a gun safe at your mates house. It’s not unreasonable to know some basics.
That sounds exactly what it’s like where I live, in the USA!!! Big country, many different laws. I live in New Jersey, which has some of the strictests gun laws in the country, and wouldn’t you know it, we also have the least amount of gun violence in the country. Imagine that?
The US isn’t a homogenized wild west, there is a lot of nuance, and I don’t like where I live being lumped in with some of the less civilized places.
It’s an extreme outlier, but you guys did just have a very well-publicized mass shooting there barely over a month ago (fuck man, it feels so much longer than that)
And to boot, a random civilian struggled with and took a gun from one of the attackers.
You probably won’t find yourself in that kind of situation, and I certainly hope you never do. But these kinds of things can happen anywhere. I’m quite certain that Ahmed el-Ahmed didn’t have “hold a gun” on his to-do list that day, but nonetheless it happened, however briefly.
And if you ever do find yourself in that kind of situation, it’s best to know how not to hurt yourself or others with that gun you’ve unexpectedly come into possession of.
I live in TX. I see more guns going Home Depot than a military parade
…… And don’t go out in the woods during deer season because there’s always someone treating a deadly weapon all too casually and don’t think those rules apply to them
Even if you don’t like guns or even want to be around firearms, this is incredibly important information to understand. We live in a world of violence and weapons. Understanding how they work is important or at the very least how to not kill someone accidentally because you were ignorant.
If you see someone ignoring these rules, you know to look out, say something, or act. Whichever is the appropriate action. And, God forbid (or whateveryou might believe), you have to use a firearm, you understand the important rules of gun safety. Remember, you have to screw up multiple of the rules to cause a real deadly incident, if the gun goes off because your a dummy and put your finger on the trigger, but you had it pointed to the ground then likely everyone is okay and you are just an idiot. Safety first, always
These are good practices for anything that shoots projectiles, not just weapons. I replaced some baseboard trim in the house a few months ago, and was extremely careful regarding where I pointed the air nailer, particularly when it was under pressure.
Paintball guns can easily remove an eyeball, yet the way people handle them at open games should make us all terrified for how unaware and and careless people are around dangerous devices. We need far more training and preparation on a nationalized, standardized level for preparing people for the real world.
This just happened. Could not ask for better.
And now, for the obligatory drivel:
I live in one of the countries where more guns are owned and kept by civilians in Europe and the times I’ve seen one, it was on a police officer belt or on a museum.
Portugal (I was surprised when I learned this) has a lot of guns in civilian hands, mostly small handguns and hunting rifles, mostly shotguns and carabines.
The average hunter - I live in a somewhat rural area - stores guns empty, with trigger locks in place. And having more than one gun requires a gun safe, that is routinely inspected by police. Handguns have to be stored in lock boxes or safes unloaded. Ammunition must be stored separately and outside a minimal range of the guns.
Secret storage compartments are forbidden. Open carry is forbidden. Concealed carry is mostly standard here but manifesting it, with no reason, is a serious crime.
Gun violence is not rampant here, regardless what sensationalist news outlets and social networks desinformation campaigns try to do.
Most people never see a gun their entire life and if confronted with one will instantly call the police for safe removal.
So… I appreciate this kind of topic but it always strikes me as unnecessary for the average reality.
When I was about 12 or so, my father, who was just really bad at like, everything, and was always inebriated… was checking something on the 12-gauge he kept in the house, he decided to sit next to me on my bed to fiddle with the thing and of course, he pulls the trigger and it goes off.
Fortunately it was pointed away from me, and fortunately there was nobody else in the house at the time, so it just took a large chunk out of the wall and not a family member, but it was startling on a level that shook me for life, and whether he meant to teach the lesson or not, I sure as shit learned the rules of firearms from that incident.
It also makes me call BS on at least the “saving private ryan” part of the 4chan post. There’s no way you will mistake an actual firearm going off for any kind of media or recording.
Ehhh, you probably could if you weren’t extremely close and it was the right firearm.
There’s a lot of variation between different guns when it comes to volume- even the same caliber can be dramatically quieter out of a long barrel. I own a .22lr rifle that’s entirely fine to shoot without ear protection, and a .22lr revolver that’s definitely not fine to shoot without ear protection.
What I’m getting at is 12ga is fucking loud, even by gun standards. In an enclosed space? I bet you had tinnitus for awhile.
I had both .22LR rifle and revolver and that revolver was louder than a 9mm (Uzi) so gun design makes a massive difference.
I think it’s possible that a recording on surround sound might get close to the noise of a smaller caliber gun, but I just doubt that it would be an easy mistake to make. Particularly if that person doesn’t play a lot of loud movies and games and it’s just a sudden burst or something.
I bet you had tinnitus for awhile.
That makes me think of something I never put together. I did everything I can in life to protect my hearing. Never shot without protection, never even operated heavy machinery or went to concerts without some kind of hearing protection, I was so infatuated with preserving my senses that I was made fun of for always having PPE. Now later in life I have constant tinnitus and no idea why. Come to think of it, maybe that one single shotgun blast at point-blank range is what knocked something loose in there and I’m only just now feeling the long-term effects.
Do you know how many dB that 22lr is actually producing? I would bet it’s actually just inside the danger zone with most ammo.
No clue. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was technically outside of hearing safe, but it’s not actively uncomfortable to shoot. It’s a single shot bolt action so I’m not gonna do long term hearing damage fast lol.
Honest question: Why is open carry forbidden, but concealed carry can be okay in certain contexts? The idea of being coy about whether or not one has a gun seems more alarming than somebody unquestionably having a gun that everyone can see. Not brandishing it, but rather just being honest and open with everyone about the idea that you’re carrying a gun seems less upsetting to me than the unanswered question of who might possibly have a hidden gun on them if they had that special kind of feeling when they woke up this morning.
For the vast majority of people that conceal carry a gun, the goal is still to be peaceful and avoid trouble. They want to live life as they normally would just with that extra training and capability. Some do it for personal reasons (stalkers, violent exes and so on) or because their area is generally sketchy. Sometimes it’s just a preference. You usually don’t hear about them because on average they are responsible.
Open carry has a place, like on hikes in the woods for example. But people who open carry in public areas like restaurants are trying to make a statement. To everyone around them the vibe is “don’t mess with me…or else”. It draws tons of attention. People may take photos or alert security/police. And any bad actor knows exactly who to surprise and take out first. That’s why it is generally deemed as a bad idea and counterproductive
Knowing that concealed guns are out there keeps the bad guys guessing, open carry scares normal people are makes it easier for the bad guys to get the drop on lawful carriers
A visible weapon generates discomfort. Unless on a police agent, nobody likes to see a gun here. It’s a threat. Hence the default for concealed carry.
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In other words :
- Gun can go bang ! Scary.
- Point gun at bad guy, never good guy.
- Fingy behave until bad guy show up.
- Good guy close or behind bad guy ? No bang !
(This is meant to make the rules easy to remember, not to make fun of them)
