a little more then 24h into the campaign.

patreon increased from $871 to $1,138 (+30%).

liberapay rose from $301 to $393.66 (+30%).

I think it could have been improved further , the text could be a bit longer (I talked to Nutomic and few suggestion were kinda shortened too much IMO). but i think we can overall call the campaign a success. I realize we can tweak and experiment with this for far too long and without A/B testing we could be “fooled by randomness” and make the wrong choices. but we could measure how many people leave the page of the text before we expect them to finish reading to get a indication if it is too small or big. information beats speculation.

Anyway this text is now “field tested” and should probably be used more with maybe minor tweaks (link to it from the website donate page and the pop up).

Is there any evidence the pop up asking for donation is working as intended? , adding randomness to this could make it too hard to debug.

I think what it does prove beyond all doubt if the pop up is working is that the pop up text is not enough. People want a clear and persuasive rational. underestimation potential donors ability to read a short text could be a costly mistake. a quick googling indicates a optimal length of about 1,000 to 2,500 words while the current text stands at about 500 words.

This should probably be documented on the open collective page.

Wouldn’t it be better if this was a peertube plugin?

Graphtreon says their API is $760 / month.

didn’t even know they have a API. i meant parsing the HTML with something like selenium, there are probably lighter options. if you will do this once a day or week i can’t see why your API should be blocked (its like some developer repeatedly checking that in his browser).

Patreon isn’t going to do anything for us specifically

They probably make something like 80 dollar a month of you. maybe a tech support representative just needs to input your IP to their system. it takes a couple of minutes for someone who makes about $20 an hour so not unreasonable . especially if you will warn/threaten them that you will remove patreon.

We had this automated, but patreon blocked our IP, so I’ll update it manually rn, and try to do that at least once a month.

Did you try sending them an email or opening a issue asking them to to whitelist the IP? . this is completely unreasonable. you are a paying customer.

graphtreon is making a ton of requests so i think there should not be a problem. or maybe you could parse graphtreon instead.

You could create a repository with just this data and be liberal when giving out access.

Implement donation dialog

isn’t it suppose to pop up for me? i see nothing.

so far no change on the reported donations when comparing to previous reporting which is actually down.

maybe have somewhere a dashboard graph of something like “revenue per 1k active users”.

active users are higher then on march 2024 yet donation are down from 3,9K to 2.3K.

Have you considered a UX similar to old reddit for this? where you hover over the join button with the mouse and it gives you the option to create a feed or add and remove to a feed?

I actually checked multiple times and could not find it (but admittedly maybe that is my mistake and not a real problem with discoverability).

The only thing certain is death and taxes . but unlike for example omegle and it’s successors you have to register so if it will be detected that it is a LLM it could be banned (eventually people will find out because LLM are not that good). Also i assume someone will have a incentive to do that so eventually it will try to get someone money or something like that and will probably get banned.

You can also say the same thing for every platform you communicate with people like lemmy . you might even wonder if a for profit company might have better resources to detect bots.

meta makes 156B per year, assuming 3.98B users per year (average monthly active users). that’s about 39$ revenue per user per year and 3.2$ per user per month.

If you want to make that kind of money, i think they only realistic option adding ads with an option to pay to disable the ads. i never saw a open source project raises that kind of money with fundraising. even then i am not sure it will work because i think i read a report that people who block ads basically don’t read them when they can’t block so those ads will make no money.

Openhub also says it’s “mostly written in javascript”.

Probably because the website site is listed as one of the repositories.

I don’t want to start a holy war. but they say it should bring more contributors and a more fun programming language should mean more contributions but contribution metrics on openhub show no meaningful improvement IMO.

Yeah, but i think any programmable system should allow low level constructs if the high level constructs are not enough.

iirc this caused serious problems with wine because the API of windows requires setting coordinates.

I am someone who kinda tries to live a more healthy lifestyle, if somebody tells me there is something that is good for my health i expect some scientific research to provide evidence of that. the health industry does provide things that have no scientific evidence that they are effective (so called “big placebo” companies).

You can a expectation of positive outcomes using optimized wording when asking for donations (and ideally A/B testing it), seems to work ok for wikipedia and thunderbird. also regarding fatigue maybe you could have a platform that allows “transferring” your vote to a certain individual or even a organisation (maybe adding support for governance models like the feature voted on the most by a specific group of users).

iirc they were already listed as goals in previous NLnet grants, so it has already been a while, not mention that Lemmy budget is a drop in the ocean compared to reddit and that money could definitely be used.

Any update on improving Lemmy fundraising process?

KDE recently did a post where they describe the result of adding a notification asking for donations. the money they received from only paypal alone in the 7 days of December is almost 5 times higher (62K) then their biggest previous month (October 13K).

Lemmy donations are down from march to today , while piefed is having a modest organic growth . maybe this could boost development resources bringing features users have been asking for years and improve the speed of experimentation that will help perfect Lemmy’s design and feature set.

Thanks for the hard work again!

I always assumed its daily reporting of monthly active users. the nodeinfo format that is used for reporting the data does not show daily active users iirc (it is seemingly capable of reporting weekly users).

I don’t know if it could be cheaper , it probably could be cheaper because if it will be more popular prices will drop (Economies of scale) , but i am afraid there will always be a price premium for FOSS friendly hardware because companies are losing their competitive advantage by giving away some of the work they do for free.

FYI, its not true the 80 percent of users are on lemmy.world see here (total number of active users) and here (number of lemmy.world active users).

Also piefed as far as i know does not really support multireddits , you can’t define a feed of groups of communities as a user. piefed topics are configured by admins or the developers .

Reminder: Microsoft GitHub social media likes is not an accurate barometer of much. Starhacking is a thing & it tells you nothing of the code quality

Its funding track record is also pretty good it seems . no indication can prove a project is high quality, but it can help in deciding what to check out.