Indeed, that’s why i hate it that so many people here are raging about this while it’s something both sides are doing…
I get all the Trump & conservatives hate, but sometimes this community is raging over something that’s just done by both sides… So being outraged about it is pretty hypocritical…
Is indeed a fine example. Keeps raising the same questions: is it ok to rewrite books? We’re supposed to be outraged when maga does it, but it’s ok if we do it?
Indeed
And that also bothers me about threads like this… both sides in the USA seem to be guilty of this, so to now call it propaganda & nazism when the right is doing it… It’s of course true, but the left wing is doing the exact same, so you can’t really be that outraged… You’re both doing the same thing :s
Ah yeah, going for the insult rather than engaging with a difficult talking point…
I for sure hate trans people when i say it’s hypocritical to complain about the right wing changing books to fit what they view as correct, when the left wing is doing the exact same (strange… my point isn’t even about trans people it seems… how peculiar).
I haven’t even said that i have a problem with more gender neutral language, i just gave it as en example of what it’s about since the parent post was all about hate speech, (and there was some issue with that too in his childrens books, but afaik hardly any).
And i focused on that because OP made it sound as if just hate speech was being targetted, not rewriting old works to fit very left wing desires about how gender is mentioned.
But the question remains: if the right does it, it’s Nazism, when the left does it, it’s… <???> (at least totally not Nazism, because when we do something that we claim is blatant Nazism when the others do it, it’s ok, because obviously, we’re not Nazis, even when we do things that we call out as blatantly Nazism when others do it).
(and why am i trying to call this out: because i hate hypocrisy & polarization. It’s fair to disagree with that, but then calling it Nazism and being all wronged about it while the American left wing is doing the exact same, and then get’s called out the exact same by de maga idiots… That’s just stupid on both sides, and i’d prefer our side to be genuine and honest, and not be all offended when others do the same thing they’re doing)
I have honestly no clue what you’re trying to say???
If you read the wiki page i linked, it’s about changing his books after his death, so not things about when he was still alive? Is also not about a ban? Did you even read the wiki? It literally starts with "Puffin Books, the children’s imprint of the British publisher Penguin Books, expurgated various works by British author Roald Dahl in 2023, sparking controversy. "
And you’re talking about hate against races, but the wiki talks about removing the word queer (which used to just be a synonym for strange), removing all kinds of gendered language (not sons & daughters, but children, etc…). So rewriting the books to fit your narrative.
My argumentation is simple: the right wing can’t change books, but the leftwing can? Both sides seem to be trying to rewrite history, that’s all. Whether what’s in the books is acceptable or not, who cares. If the book is no longer appropriate, don’t read it but complaining about the other side rewriting books seems hypocritical. That’s all. You can just not recommend books to readers and suggest more modern alternatives that are more appropriate, or read the old works taking in mind the era they were written in.
Honest question, how is this different from the left doing the same? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy
As an outsider, it seems the USA is currently in a culture war, and neither side minds burning & changing the books they deem offensive?
I’m all for the Trump hate, what’s happening there is insane, but the American left wing being bothered by books being changed seems pretty hypocritical seeing recent events…
You’re confusing UX with UI. UX = user experience, the entire experience, UI = the interface. UX is the entire user experience, and for example for joining reddit, you go to reddit.com and join. For lemmy you learn there are dozens of large instances, with intricate politics between them and if you join the wrong one everyone thinks you’re a tankie…
That’s terrible and i can imagine people are put off by it.
The interface of lemmy itself is indeed ok, and is close to old reddit, which at least the people here prefer.
They’ll probably do that, but that’s assuming we aren’t past the point of diminishing returns.
The current LLM’s are pretty basic in how they work, and it could be that with the current training we’re near what they’ll ever be capable of. They’ll of course invest a billion in training a new generation, but if it’s only marginally better than the current one, they won’t keep investing billions into it if it doesn’t really improve the results.
That’s the claim, it has apparently been trained using a fraction of the compute power of the GPT models and achieves similar results.
If you need far less computing power to train the models, far less gpus are needed, and that hurts nvidia
Then you’re on purpose just not reading my argument, and you’re avoiding replying to any of the points i make.
Thanks for the tiny bit of genuine discussion, and have fun trolling other people.
So his own company is his sponsor (the company that existed long before he had any meaningful amount of viewers, and that has a good reputation because he does good work)
And his current employer is also his “sponsor”.
You might want to look up what the word sponsor means.
And even if you had a point (which you don’t), you’re still refusing to answer why MKB is ok for you while any incentive you say is bad for Louis is amplified by 100 for MKB, yet there all is fine… so odd…
I was reallly hoping you would actually engage in an honest discussion, because if you actually could make a case for Louis being toxicly negative, i’d love to hear it, and i think he would also love to hear about how & why and try to improve on that. His goal has always been to empower his viewers, if he’s doing the opposite, i’m sure he’ll do his best to change that. Similarly to the other points we could discuss.
But you seem to be intent on just trolling and refusing to answer… so the dialogue ends here i guess… Thanks for at least trying to make one or two points, it’s always interesting to see other opinions :).
Ok, name his sponsors… i’ll wait…
He makes videos on youtube to empower his viewers and because he feels he has messages that are important to be heard. You know… there are still genuine people out there that do things not for profit.
and again, everything you’re saying is even waaaaay more true for MKB, so why does he get a pass?
You’ve got one more chance to actually adress the arguments, if not, i can only assume you’re a troll.
But it obviously isn’t how he makes his money. He used to make his money with his repair shop, now futo is paying him to do right to repair/open software advocacy. Youtube pays jack shit for the amount of views he gets, and he never took sponsors, so youtube was never the way he earned his money. He gets some money from it, but would absolutely love it if everyone watched him on odyssey or any other platform that isn’t youtube and that doesn’t pay him anything.
And yeah, there is truth to ragebait working well in algorithms. But you’re making a claim that’s plain false: he has economic incentives, and you’re avoiding a few more:
And you name his negativity toxic, why? He’s addressing actual shit that is happening all around us and can get you into serious issues in the future. Your car manufacturer selling your data to your insurance can have a serious impact on your life. Manufacturers suing customers that leave a bad review can seriously ruin your life, … But at the same time he always tries to use this criticism to empower the viewer to make better choices, to teach you how to avoid such issues, and how you can make a difference. Just this week he made a video regarding doing business in an ethical way, that’s like the least toxic video possible, his message is always: bad shit is happening, here’s how to spot it, here’s how to make a difference, and not “all is lost, you may now despair because there’s nothing you can do about it”
Your arguments are imo very biased, and simply don’t show the truth. I know the kind of youtubers you mean, and there are plenty, but putting people like Rossmann in that basket is just insane. He actively tries to make the world a better places. Makes incredible videos on how you can be part of the change, has for over a decade done everything to empower his viewers and customers, and you’re all like “he’s just a toxic negative youtuber that does it for money”.
And one follow up question: can positivity be toxic? Can the likes of MKB & LTT just sweep all the stuff that’s happening under the rug, take huge payouts to make the viewer look the other way, and just slowly let everything enshittification take its course and make everything worse for the consumer until someday we wake up and wonder where it all went wrong and why we didn’t see it coming? That’s what it feels like for me when i watch those channels “all is fine, don’t look into the closet full of skeletons please”.
Whenever i see channels like MKB & LTT, for me it’s fun for a few videos. They sure can be a bit critical at times, but in general, they’re obviously paid by a lot of sponsor money, and can’t be truly critical often, and will never address controversy. They’ll also just copy al lot of the marketing claims verbatim, barely testing them, and just mostly appeal on emotion, making sure presentation is top notch, etc… But it’s all pretty shallow imo, and it’s intended as such.
And there are thousands of people like louis rossman? How many of them actually take political action? Show up in front of legislators and actually try to change things? Gather funds to create an app like grayjay to fight the big monopolies? How many made a huge wiki documenting to insane detail how to do self hosting? Make a videod on how to ethically do business? etc… etc… etc…
I know the kind of youtubers you mean, watched a bit of yongyea for a while, he’ll just find any controversy to complain about, and that’s it. He’ll never be a catalyst for change. He’ll also just latch on to whatever is already happening, rarely he’ll be the source of the news.
But lumping in Louis Rossmann with such youtubers… Then you really haven’t watched his channel. He’ll of course regularly jump on the bandwagon, when some controversy is happening that aligns with his message. But also regularly he’ll be the first addressing certain issues, people also know to contact him, but also from his daily life, seeing what’s happening. He’s also actually trying to change what he sees. Not just get popularity by complaining, but doing something about it. He also makes insightful videos.
And regarding no longer making repair videos… he’s so often complaining about manufacturers making a lot of repairs near impossible, and working against it at every turn… Things are made less repairable, What use is there to make videos on how to repair your apple phone when you can’t get repair parts, and if you could you couldn’t get them to work since you don’t have the software to authorize them on your phone…
It can indeed be depressing to watch Rossmann, but sadly enough, his pessimism just makes sense. You can sometimes not entirely agree with him, but bad shit is happening, and it’s only getting worse. It used to be “when the product is free, you are the product”. Now it is “when (even the very expensive) product is cloud connected, you are the product”. 5000$ tv that sends your data to advertisers? Your car sending your data to insurers, etc… etc… etc…
If according to you he’s just a serial complainer, feel free to make your case, i don’t always agree with him, but i’ve got insane respect for him. He ended up seeing what big tech is doing, and he’s the first to suffer the consequences, and he’s actually putting his time, money & effort where his mouth is and doing something about it. He also from time to time makes really insightful videos, and yes, he complains a lot… sadly enough there does seem to be a lot to complain about, and it’s actually stuff that really matters…
You’re missing one key difference:
MKB is getting the big money for just mindelessly repeating whatever big tech wants the audience to hear, Louis is somehow financially surviving despite not having any sponsors for obvious reasons (and not wanting them either for integrity reasons).
And saying louis rossmann is about self promotion… I’ve lost count how often he’s openly wondering in videos why people are still watching his crap. He’s happy he can do what he’s doing, and he can make the difference he’s making, but to say he’s in the business of self promoting… i guess as a youtuber, you always are in some way, but he’d be happy if he’d run out of content and have nothing to complain about, and could do actual repairs that then aren’t being blocked by stupid companies. I doubt MKB would be happy when he’d no longer be an influencer.
So just show him an example, if he then continues antagonizing you, call him out for it and for moving the goalposts etc… you could have solved this in no time, i really don’t get the point you’re trying to make… I’ll show this guy who i claim to be a troll by being a troll myself, even though i could prove him actually being a troll with far less effort than that.
That’ll show the internet how serious and not a troll i am…
I don’t know why your brain got stuck in this mode, but maybe try to snap out of it…
Ah, now he’s a well known troll.
Now i don’t know much about the users here, so could be he’s a troll. But i don’t see him as trolling you in this discussion, he asked a good faith question, and you go completely off the rails…
The proof that would be required would be you calling out openai and people defending them. I mean, that’s just blindingly obvious you know. The few times i referenced something i did in the past in a discussion, i linked my previous posts showing that, otherwise i could claim anything. It just seems like the most basic etiquette in a discussion. You said people were defending openAI here on lemmy when you were calling them out. And now people are curious about this and you’re like “i’ll never show you”.
I really don’t get how that’s so difficult for you. Great that you saw the openai bullshit coming from a mile away, but that doesn’t mean you have to act this ridiculous when someone is curious to the context and asks you for an example when they did the effort to find such an example and couldn’t…
And to not be too hypocritical XD. Here’s an example of me linking to a previous post when i thought it matter to show i was saying what i was saying before more information about a subject came to light: https://old.reddit.com/r/TrackMania/comments/njq0q0/lots_of_people_have_been_saying_that_he_just_made/gz9it8s/
As an outsider in this discussion, who just read it now, what are you talking about??
You got 1 single question: show some examples of people being positive about AI/OpenAI on lemmy, something you said is very common. The one asking about it even did their best to find them themselves, but can’t, so is asking you since you seem to come across it all the time.
And then you’re like “i don’t owe you anything, and i’ll reply 50 times to you, but not take the minute it should take me to give a single example of what i was talking about (something i say is/was very common here)”…
If there’s someone looking bad in this situation, it’s you dude… The question communist asked is very normal in an honest discussion, and even more so after he did the effort to find it himself, and showed he did the effort.
If there’s this pro AI community on lemmy, plenty of people would love to see it and maybe see what their views are. It sounds genuinely interesting if it exists, but for some reason you mention it, and when someone asks “where are these posts? i did my best finding them, but can’t”, you’re like “no, stop harrassing me, i said it exists, but i’m not going to show you”.
You need a viola these days to run a game on linux?
And people are wondering why Linux is less popular :p