The world is a less friendly place than it used to be… especially the interwebs.

Still needs an instance owner who is legally responsible for all the content on the entire site - this way the police know who to come for if there is illegal content like CSAM. At that point, better make sure that the admins are trustworthy individuals who have been vetted more extensively than simply having applied.

But sounds a great way to engender a sense of ownership among mods (& perhaps those admins who were vetted).

Btw PieFed also has several features that implement democratization of moderation, lessening the work that a mod traditionally is forced to do on Lemmy since the end-users can do the thing on their own, aided with software. e.g. if someone wants to see less content about Musk or Trump, then keyword filters provide that option (All, Some, or None), rather than a moderator having to decide for all of the community members at once. Or if someone wants to avoid contentious content, they can hide or just collapse (requiring an extra click to read) comments below a certain (user-definable) score threshold. Or NSFW content can be blurred, rather than simply allowed vs. removed; also NSFW is distinguished from NSFL (gore). Also fwiw, moderator reports federate, and someone is actually notified if their content is removed or if they are banned, plus much more - PieFed already allows much more democratic processes than the more authoritarian-styled Lemmy provides for (I believe there is even a deeper description of administrative roles built right in). So you may want to read about that. See also this article.

However it is accomplished, it sounds like a grand experiment!

“three”

Don’t fall for this sea-lioning (intentional or otherwise) situation - if the person you are responding to has never heard of the terms “social media” or “news”, that is not your problem.

-source

I mean, they can and are doing that right now, haha! 😂

And sometimes they even have a point, buried incredibly deeply, about how we could improve things across the Threadiverse, but it requires so very much effort to translate past all the BS and outright lies (intentional or otherwise) that 99/100 times it simply is not worth the effort. Plus it leaves you drained, exhausted, and burnt-out, without a clear vision of what needs doing in order to move forward.

Which is presumably the very point of much of this drama seeking - to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, in order to “win” their POV by any means necessary (rather than aim for truth as an end-goal and work towards that collectively).

Because more people would be promoting it if that were the case? It is what it is, I’m not meaning to knock it, just wanting to seek clarity in its promotion. There are always going to be trade-offs, and it is up to each end-user to decide whether they can live with them.

Tbf all of these tools - and Pixelfed more than most - are so very new, and being developed on a shoestring budget using volunteer efforts that are not seeking capitalistic remuneration. And being able to pull in old posts is a very niche feature that affects an instance pretty much only once, upon its initial creation and then never again, so it might not be a top priority for its dev team to implement. Though a lot of teams for Fediverse tools (like PieFed) tend to be quite responsive, and pinging them may help them realize that it needs to be done sooner, i.e. communication of that may be helpful rather than annoying?

Whereas ATproto’s main downsides lay in it lacking “robustness” for the future - what happens when like pretty much every Internet company that ever existed (Google, Meta, Amazon, etc.), they decide to switch from attempts to attract a wider user base to trying to monetizate its content? Suddenly all those ATproto connections become a liability where someone can access the content held hostage therein without having to watch advertisements that benefit the main branch, thereby switching the collaborative model to a competitive one.

ATproto is strictly better in the short term, and will cause much pain later on, as opposed to the Fediverse that has some onboarding and ongoing pains now but to some people offer better hopes for the future of a more unfettered/unconstrained method of interaction between people, where control is placed more democratically into the hands of the end users rather than centralized authorities.

Check this pinned post in the current community: This is not a complaints forum, which among other things clearly states:

If you have problems with an entire instance: Just leave it.

Other communities, such as YPTB, would be a more appropriate forum for this. As it is, this post is merely drama farming.

Yes indeed, but to clarify: this will only affect PieFed, while Lemmy will remain as it is, subject to the moderation whims of that development team.

But there is no mobile version, and their FAQ says it’s unlikely to happen. Instead they point to IronFox, which I presume is nowhere close to feature equivalent to Firefox.

Done as of earlier today.

Now when can we expect the same from the Lemmy devs?

What if someone KNEW that they were dumber than average - wouldn’t that make them smarter by definition? :-P

I can’t speak to how Pixelfed works, but PieFed pulls in old posts. e.g. when lemm.ee (a Lemmy instance) shut down, several communities were migrated, including its old content.

Perhaps one day Pixelfed will implement that as well.

Since you seem to have issues with reading comprehension, I will simply repeat myself:

the non-conditional title statement of this post, even if its text walks the situation back a bit, is now being called “de-escalation”?

(emphasis added)

Rimu != PieFed

You can tell because one is a person, the other is software.

And while we are at it, https://piefed.social/ is neither - it is an instance, like https://quokk.au/ is an instance, both of which run the PieFed software.

Your agenda is not supported by facts. There are definitely problems that need solving, though this post helps solve none of them.

If you want to help, stick with the facts, they will work better than emotional appeals, if the goal is truly to improve things on the Threadiverse/Fediverse.

More choices = better imho.

That is “free speech” 101: everyone must have the ability to listen to their BS. They burn books, while you are “free” to “speak” only one among the approved talking points, which may shift over time. e.g. they routinely call for murder, even for admins of other instances, yet they are perpetually the wronged and totally innocent party, never admitting an ounce of responsibility to others, yet demanding “fair” treatment in return (which as the quotes suggest, is the epitome of unfairness actually, due to being lopsided - but somehow the righteousness of their cause justifies their zeolosness; in short, in their view their good end somehow justifies the means, and not only in terms of promoting irl murder but also in using lies over the internet).

When you see the similarities between the argumentation practices used by incels and tankies it suddenly all makes perfect sense. DOn’T yOu KnOw WhAt A nIcE mAn I aM? Watch Innuendo Studios The Alt-Right Playbook series for a treat. Their goal is not arriving at truth via means of discourse, they use toddler tactics where they want to WIN, by any means necessary. And since Might Makes Right in their view, they push as far forward as others will allow, i.e. until others expend the effort to stop them, while they refuse to stop themselves or to abide by the conventions that exist in a more polite society (which they explicitly excuse themselves from, again citing their excuses as to why you should be okay with their zeolotry, thereby gaslighting you into their worldview - as in its surely not their problem that they are lying, its everyone else’s fault for not doing as they say).

The amount of disinformation here should not be nearly as shocking to people as it seems to be. e.g. the non-conditional title statement of this post, even if its text walks the situation back a bit, is now being called “de-escalation”? Or the GIANT letters calling for the immediate defederation of Lemmy’s most popular instance in this comment? These are the very epitome of escalation.

And as for AI moderation, see this comment, where the AI output went entirely unreviewed by any kind of intelligence, and iirc the moderation reason stated was also written entirely by AI? Every single time I have chased down the accusations to find the real story, I become more and more disappointed in certain Lemmy instances that are now expanding the influence of hexbear, Lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml.

If they want to cut themselves off from the rest of the Threadiverse by defederating not only Lemmy.world but also every single PieFed instance, regardless of the stance of the admin team (in one of the multiple calls for defederation, click on the username of the commentor and read the statement), then at this point I am no longer against that outcome. It will create an echo chamber for them, but they do not seem to be listening anyway, and increasingly I find myself not listening to their incel-based arguments anymore either (where they must be free to do whatever they please but everyone else owes them something, somehow).

Edit: even the title of this very post screams disinformation - like how is this “Shadowbanning Instances from Discoverability”, when instead it is plainly simply a banning? If it were a shadow-ban, then it would still appear to the end-user to not be a ban, but then to everyone else it would be handled differently. Instead, it is an even ban, always looking the same way to everyone. Calling it a “shadowban” is a fallacy that appeals to emotion, rather than explaining the situation logically. i.e. it is clickbait, presenting a false front in order to entice people to read it, but when the details become understood the term is seen to be the polar opposite of what it attempted to portray. This is not what I hoped to get out of the Threadiverse, personally. I came here to get away from the right-wing Reddit, not find another Reddit 2.0, moar tankie drama version.

It looks like the Flotilla that is allying itself hard with the Triad is also becoming problematic. e.g. it seems to either be initiating walling itself off from other instances or at least strongly okay to have that happen to it, playing up the “victim” angle heavily (despite every shot having been fired so far being initiated by them, afaict).

I wonder what term this will eventually be called - like maybe Triad+? :-P Regardless, it’s so sad to see hexbear leaking, that is always the problem with the Paradox of Intolerance. 😓🙃

The Threadiverse seems poised to split into two factions based on whether people are pro-murder enough for others’ tastes. e.g. if you think that luigi should be a noun rather than a verb then they don’t want you to continue to exist, either irl or here on the Threadiverse.

The Left, like Veganism, always eats its own, thereby often causing the Right (in this case Reddit, Xhitter, and Meta/Facebook) to win, since utopia is only a place that can exist in theory (it requires too much work to implement in practice, which people are typically not willing to put forth).

Edit: example call (scroll down to read the GIANT TEXT part - you literally cannot miss it) for the entire Flotilla to defederate from the Western/European/democratic Lemmy.World, and if you click the username, also a call to cease and desist from using any and all PieFed instances (regardless of stance of each particular instance owner, admins, or moderators). Here is also a second example, calling to boycott all use of Lemmy.World (read the non-conditional title statement, even if the post text walks that back a bit - and to be clear, not merely avoid using it because it is too large and centralized and it would be healthier for the Threadiverse to spread out more, a phenomena that most people agree with, but for the political reasons that it is “Zionist”). The repeated calls to defederate, from multiple people, makes me think that the Flotilla is eventually going to do it, becoming like an anti-Beehaw (where instead of enforcing the rules to be nice, people will be even more free than now to call for irl murders, without any pushback from mods or even admins), aka shifting more along the spectrum to become like 4chan. I am starting to call it a “free speech” network since you can make all the “free speech” you want… so long as they approve of it, unless you piss off a mod in which case they (self-admittedly) use AI (both detection tools, despite their high failure rate, and even so much as providing the exact text placed into the modlog, with seemingly little to no human effort placed into reviewing those reasons) to help ban you from communities you’ve literally never so much as heard of before. This is exactly the behavior of the Alt-Right, whatever name they want to call it by.