OP already answered this: not at the present time.

That was not why lemm.ee died. That one was lack of admins, presumably due to their choice to become a “free speech haven” where all voices were allowed to be heard. But then having given in that far to incel culture, nonetheless still trying to pull back to stop short of becoming another 4chan. The burden on those admins was INTENSE, and they simply gave up.

Btw, PieFed already offers a number of tools that helps reduce the burden on human mods to make decisions easier.

PieFed’s democratization of moderation features are breathtakingly awesome to behold - Reddit and even Lemmy (+ Mbin, nodeBB, etc.) have nothing that even comes close! And note that article was even written two years ago (but I will stop myself short of making my comment a billet-doux on PieFed, instead just saying that it has long had this automation already).

I disagree: ultimately it can be, if users choose instances that defederate from those who allow their kids to use AI tools. (Autocorrect changed “mods” to “kids”, but I think I will leave it that way bc it’s funnier 😜)

For some of us, power carries with it a certain level of responsibility. 🕸️

For others, it is just a fun tool to wield over the fates of others. 🐒 And AI lets them do that with less effort. 💤

Obviously, but unless the modlog is being spammed with many entries, and I receive notifications for each one individually (which is actually happening right now from communities on dbzer0, and unlike Lemmy, PieFed actually sends notifications for such events, but I will set that sub-topic aside for s moment), then in theory I do not care if I am (preemptively?) banned from let’s say c/conservative@newreddit.com or c/extremetankiedeathsquad@thereallemmy.fuckallwesterners (to be clear, these are hypothetical made-up names!🤪), if I never wanted to post or vote on their content anyway? They are even doing me a favor if it prevents it from showing in my feed (which it would on Lemmy iirc, but on PieFed it would not).

The word itself keeps changing its meaning - it used to mean ML techniques, then looking forward to gen-AI, now it supposedly means “capitalism distilled”? See e.g. https://www.structural-integrity.eu/is-there-a-need-for-ai-after-capitalism/ for an excellent example of the kind of anxiety surrounding AI that we are talking about.

I agree with you that ML itself is not a problem, nor even is LLM technology. Although like nuclear power, as we advance towards true AI the more powerful the tool the greater danger its misuse portends, as you said. And also as you said, as it got big the discussion moved towards the latter topic, without bothering to be precise in what was being discussed, instead calling everything by the (clickbait?) buzzword “AI”.

Although it should only matter if you chose to subscribe to that community where the mod is in charge.

One thing that your comments touch on here is just how little of the “Anxiety around AI” actually has to do with AI.

When e.g. Oracle lays off 30k workers, how little of that truly has to do with AI? vs. instead market instability etc. What complicates the issue is that most often, the corporation will claim that the layoffs are to better streamline the company in a future where AI will need fewer workers, so to prepare for that now… they’ll just go ahead and get rid of them immediately.

So this isn’t even people using AI inappropriately, this is people blaming AI for what they wanted to do anyway, for reasons if profit.

Then again, events such as those presage what is to come: when AI truly can do it all, how will humans be able to earn a paycheck? Spoiler alert: not all of us will. And especially in the meantime there will be period of transition and upheaval.

This is what I felt your comments lacked acknowledgement of: not the downside to using the tools but the wider conversation that uses the keyword “AI” but has really barely anything to do with it, as opposed to political and social and economic forces.

(I did not downvote you btw)

Okay but Grok is still surely part of the “Anxiety around AI is growing rapidly in the US, research shows” phenomena, as Grok is one of the various AIs that people are aware of, and anxious about.

Your words read to me like you have kept yourself aware of the positive benefits of using AI - which many people on Lemmy including to some degree myself - have done far less of.

But there are some negatives as well…

B-b-be-be-because shut up you, that’s why!

Won’t someone think of the poor shareholders?

(/s)

Your “if” there is doing an awfully lot of the heavy lifting. Fwiw, I’m not talking special-purpose, custom-built LLMs - a large part of the problem is the lack of precision language uses to describe the concepts under discussion.

An example: https://lemmy.world/post/46390157

Another example: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/59584533

Both of these would be better called “cheating” than “AI”, but seeing as how AI both makes it easier and more to the point so many companies (such as Oracle) are literally pushing their programmers (those remaining anyway) to exclusively write programs using AI rather than by themselves, the very definition of “cheating” will need to be reexamined as a result.

In the examples also take note of how poor quality the LLM output is - e.g. regardless of whether the source is Grok or Claude or whatever, those therapy examples are not helpful in the slightest. Your counterargument might be that these are the “cheap” (aka free) AIs, but preemptively I will say in response: they still count as “AI”, especially in the context of the OP.

Bc when I use a calculator, I actually DO expect literal perfection. And when I use google search, I expect it to be “useful”. And when I find information in Wikipedia, I expect it to be somewhat authoritative, even if incomplete. And if I use automative driving features, I expect them not to completely take over the wheel and crash me into a brick wall… or to a little child in a crosswalk right in front of me.

People who drive drunk lose their privileges to drive anymore. Employees who screw up that often get fired. Doctors who dispense incorrect medical advice lose their ability to practice medicine, plus get exposed to lawsuits. Counselors who tell their patients to kill themselves… Anyway, people DO experience the consequences of their actions, like ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Whereas in contrast, AI is said that it is “going to be” great, not that it is great now. Fine, finish it and then we’ll talk. In the meantime, stop shoving it in front of my face.

If AI is like a human, it’s at best 2-year-old and at worst more like 6 months. It should not be “in charge”, e.g. of dispensing medical advice. But since it takes so much time to check its results for errors, it is literally slower and more painful to use it than to not use it (sometimes, often in fact).

You have a point somewhere buried in your mind, as revealed by the insightful first sentence, but your phrasing in the second sentence reads like sea-lioning and is not helping. Nobody is asking for “behind perfection” as that is literally mathematically impossible, and that is not what “moving the goalposts” means. It should not be enough to sound intelligent - we need to actually be such (same for AI as well).

Narrator: actually, no it was not.

e.g. it still spreads misinformation.

You would do well to remember that the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

If a normal person were to call me a troll many times in a row, I would strongly consider blocking them. But I wonder if blocking these people would have any effect upon this spam?

I also find it the height of irony that we are all told by dbzer0 admins that we should strive hard to understand, since those mods must surely have their reasons for doing what they did, whereas if e.g. Lemmy.World were to block calls for outright murder of themselves personally, then all of a sudden moderation should no longer be allowed to moderate that violent rhetoric spammed at them. One rule for thee while another, different rule for me…

Also, I am somewhat anti-AI, but not to the extent of trolling anyone. Though do facts matter anymore - i.e. have these two mods been kicked off of dbzer0 for their false accusations, sent preemptively out to half the Threadiverse?

When lemm.ee shut down, all the “free speech” incels (to whom no means create a new account and keep going) had to go somewhere. Never mind that it was the weight of all that toxicity that caused lemm.ee to shut down… just create a new account and keep going. And hexbear was defederated from so many other instances, it just makes sense to create an account on an instance that is friendly to HB but that also can reach the rest of the Threadiverse - they want to have their cake and eat it too (which makes sense, I would too in their place, and in fact I strongly considered making an account on dbzer0 myself in the past, thinking that it had defederated from HB but that turned out to have been merely a technical glitch, I think due to HB having lost its domain name at one point).

I made this image a few days ago but it seems to still fit here as well:)

Thank you for correcting me here, I apologize for spreading misinformation.

@rimu@piefed.social there seems to be a bug in PieFed.social’s modlog? I see four entries that all say done by “lemmy.dbzer0.com admin” a week ago citing “Banned account OpenStars”, but @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com confirms this is not the case. No “reason” statement is given that I can see, and no community name either (which is why I interpreted that to mean a site ban). I just upvoted a post in YPTB that seemed to work (the color of the vote changed) which points to the likelihood that I am not instance banned from either direction.

I’ve only had a single moderator event since I made this account, well over a year ago except a featuring & unfeaturing of a post - huh, I didn’t even know about that one!).

Then one day I wake up with like 10 bans in my notifications area, from what looks to be pro-AI communities. They did not merely claim to be acting on the safe side with a generic message, they specifically called me names as in an “Anti-AI Troll”. Fwiw I consider myself as someone who desires a more nuanced view of how LLM usage might be appropriate in various real-world scenarios than your average Lemming. It’s not my fault that corporations are deploying technology before it is ready and that the results are exceedingly untrustworthy right now - though ironically I was actually thinking about trying to find a legitimately more helpful and nuanced place that allows those kinds of discussions. Naive optimism is a biased method of thinking, but so too is pessimism, and if at all possible I prefer realism. And I don’t want to exist purely inside of an echo chamber, you know?

Which is why I avoid Lemmy.ml communities and users, and apparently I need to start doing the same with dbzer0 ones as well. They aren’t quite part of the Tankie Triad, but highly ironically, their admins allow mods that are instead somehow even more authoritarian than them? Like, I’ve never actually been banned by Lemmy.ml on any of my accounts (that I am aware of) - probably bc I do avoid those communities. While on the other hand dbzer0 (apparently) preemptively instance-banned me 4 times in a row last week - not even unbanning me in between them, just like stuttering or mashing the ban button EXTRA hard! Edit: this is starting to look more and more like a bug in PieFed’s modlog display, as in displaying a blank community name or some such, thank you to dbzer0 for correcting me here. I will leave the graphic because it is funny and because it still applies to all the mods on dbzer0 who are enabled and protected by but not actually the same as the admin team.

Now I know what people mean when they said that being banned from Lemmy.ml was a badge of honor, good riddance! I do find it sad that others are still going to have to discover this on their own though, as dbzer0 converts to authoritarianism like Lemmy.ml (and AN seems on its way to becoming a second Hexbear). A year or so ago, I had true respect for dbzer0 - especially the head admin. I don’t know what happened exactly but I don’t like the result one bit:-(.

Anyway yeah, I can’t fight back against these abusive words, and if an instance decides to ban me four times a day for the foreseeable future, there is nothing is can do about that either - it almost seems like people are weaponizing the modlog, or at least revealing that someone could do that if they wanted to. I guess it is up to each instance what level of abusiveness they want to allow to their users from these shitty modlog practices. My own “fight” (that I did not realize I was even in?) with them seems over, but this absolutely will affect MANY other users as well.

As the OP graphs show - these numbers reflect REAL events, with REAL stories behind them, affecting REAL people.

Then I am glad I mentioned it!:-)