not the person you replied to, but I wish someone had told me that rather than just downvoting me, that’s helpful to know about and I only found out cause I came to try dig though the thread to see if there were clues as to why folks were so unhappy with my mentioning it 😅

Not everyone knows or keeps up with every blemish on a project’s record

I don’t use or care that much about vertical tabs, and it seems complicated how big if a deal this actually is, but florp might be worth taking a look at if you’re not already familiar with it

I don’t know a ton about it but I think it has a similar kind of niche and is more vertical tab focused

I didn’t know that context about the guy who made the video, I’ve only seen his video about zen and his video about firefox, at first I thought you meant the commenter- thank you for the additional info, I don’t exist much in dev spaces or follow what happens there and wouldn’t have know he had baggage had you not mentioned it

I think the video contains enough helpful info about the gecko engine regardless of the guys trustworthiness, but I can definitely understand not taking his word at face value

The comments provide a lot of additional info, like that he gave credit to Samsung browser for adding features before firefox when it’s chromium based, so the video isn’t without its issues, but I still gained a lot of understanding of firefox’s technical shortcomings from the specific examples provided. I was really only aware of user facing feature or ux issues

Regardless, hope you have a good one :)

Sorry for the late reply, I wish I had more but I think the only specific time I can remember is this comment on a video discussing Firefox’s issues (its a pretty good video, even if I don’t agree with every take in it)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmjUlFIaNLE&lc=Ugxh4SDBv3MmwdHyb7h4AaABAg

Edit: wasn’t sure if the link would open the comment correctly so I figured I’d take a screenshot

Its one of the top comments and its loved by the video creator so it shouldn’t be hard to find if the link doesn’t work right

Nah, you’re all good, this has been a lovely conversion and I’ve appreciated your extra info :)

I hope you have a good day my friend 😊

Oof… I don’t find that as long or intense of a pattern as with brave but the behaviour to reach out and repeatedly bug the guy about his small blog post reflects strangely and poorly on his character :/ I had no idea kagi kinda came with baggage as well.

And yeah, it definitely is. Thats part of why I try really hard not to let perfect be the enemy of good. There is no perfect, and I still want to be involved in good where I can, to the extent that there is good available.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share a ton of additional context. I often have a hard time keeping in the loop about things and if I’m going to use imperfect things because I think they’re better than the alternative, then I want to at least pay attention to and understand their imperfections

Thank you!

And yeah the fact that brave sucks so god damn much is frustrating. Brave is the best independent search engine with their own index (of the free options) in my opinion. At some point I need to try searx and kagi, but I prefer an independent engine rather than a meta search engine, and am broke as fuck 😅

If I understand correctly they’re actually not directly a Mozilla project or something anymore. They’re loosely connected, but not actually run by Mozilla.

Wasn’t sure if there were better places to post this, feel free to cross-post if you know other fitting communities :)

While I do think the point about forking is true, it is worth acknowledging that the gecko engine is
a) very behind other browsers in terms of implemented functionality and standards, and
b) I’ve seen devs say on multiple occasions that because of the wide range of platforms it has officially supported over time (or other reasons), the codebase has become very hard to work with and apparently it’s really hard to add new standards to it

That definitely adds a bit more context still. Thank you for the additional information.

I don’t know much about either of the first two people, but I do know lunduke and think he’s gross (if you have context on the first two you’re welcome to share but no obligation to of course :)

Though, I’m also a fan of futo and Louis Rossman. I try to air on the side of being able to appreciate people doing good work even if I don’t agree with everything they do or think. People come from different backgrounds and not everyone will see the world the way I do, or be sensitive to the pain caused by the issues that affect me personally 🤷‍♂️

I wasn’t aware of anything along those lines, but reading through the whole thread of discussion was interesting.

Things seem ambiguous currently I’ll have to keep an eye on that issue, I appreciate you mentioning it

The part with the progress graph compared to other browsers over time is especially cool!

That would be very fun

It occurs to me this could be considered a low effort post, if this isnt welcome please feel free to take it down or let me know and take it down myself, I don’t wish to submit stuff that isn’t a fit for the community :)

Do you just use a different chromium based browser, or are you out here rocking Ladybird caude you’re cooler than the rest of us

I guess WebKit is a more likely option

I use Firefox but I can’t say I love the way mozilla manages their projects 😅 I’m hopeful something like ladybird will eventually, someday, be a viable replacement

A well written article, thank you for sharing. I think this did a better job of characterizing why people are so frustrated than most things I’ve seen.

There’s been lots of critisisms of how callus the collective response has been, but at it’s core, the anger folks have really isn’t about worshipping a killer, it’s about how humanity seems to belong exclusively to the rich. All while they systematically deprive the poor of their basic human dignity and at times, even lives.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense with all of what I’ve learned. Independent. Super high prey drive. Chaos tornados as puppies lol.

I’d be adopting an adult, I definitely am not prepared for a puppy. This would be essentially my first dog, no need to make it that much harder 😅. Right now I think I’m generally leaning towards a greyhound, but whippets seem really sweet as well

Thanks for sharing your dog with us. He’s mega cute 🥹

I have a lot of mental health challenges and a severe sleep disorder that results in a lot of isolation. I’m kinda thinking when I’m in the right financial place for it, a dog might really help with the isolation.

I’m curious what you mean by unreliable. I assume you’re referring to them being difficult to direct since from what I hear they’re not very biddable and are pretty independent in their decision making 😅

I appreciate you mentioning that, thats how I’m considering using the 5 if it ends up as my phone replacement, but I have a hard time interpreting the info around wireless frequency bandwidths supported 🙃 I like pretty user interfaces, networking hurts my brain