It seems when you have a terrible attitude of entitlement and no willingness to learn, you’ll never be happy with anything. Huh.
In that case, I’d rather have him stay unhappy on Windows and not make those videos anymore.
Linus is not a tech guy and it shows
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ChatGPT advice here is basically regurgitating the Pop OS circlejerk. Pop OS is a horrible distro and it shows.
Linus also made a great point showing how all top articles recommend different things. Everyone is shouting to use their distro and when it doesn’t work some other Linux zealot says “no you should have used the distro I use”
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Honestly, I think lots of people are hating on him just because. Pop is still highly recommended on a random Google search, and his reasons to pick it are legit. Plus he acknowledged that last time the issue was user error + unimaginable level of bad luck, and removing that there would be no reason for him not to use it. Also if you saw the WAN show he also installed Bazzite and Kubuntu on two other systems and got two other issues.
As much as I want to say he did something bad like last time, this time I don’t see it, his issues are legit and to dismiss them because he’s using an “unstable” (that is the default and recommended) DE or because he chose a distro that is in the top recommendations on every site out there is disingenuous.
If you’re going to get Windows users with limited tech iCal knowledge to switch over Pop makes quite a bit of sense given they can go out and grab a System76 PC and not have to think about how to use Rufus to make a bootable USB.
The reaction of the linux community to this video was fucking embarrassing.
Linus is a tool. I’ve been saying this for a long time. The guy is good at marketing, but he’s very far from what I consider a tech guy. I personally have no idea why his channel has the following it does, and I’ve no idea why some of my friends enjoy his content…which always staggered me because they know more about tech than he does. Hard R, amirite?!../s
I watch some of the videos from the main channel as well as Short Circuit and honestly I’m more there for the other hosts, even in this video Linus is the most negative of the three. Like actively uses Linux after the last challenge even if it’s not for every device.
I watch Jake’s channel now that he left and he’s got more interesting things going on. Same with Alex.
Thanks for the insight
WHY. IS HE. ON POPOS. AGAIN???
did you know POPOS means turds in spanish?
It’s not much better in German
i had to look, is it vagina or just bottom?
If I went to macbook, tried my windows knowledge of CTL+alt+del, and it fails. I don’t blame the macbook.
This is what bugs me every time I see LTT Linus talking about Linux. He spent decades learning Windows. He immersed himself in it. Now he’s older and doesn’t realize the small amount of researching and “RTFM” for Linux is nothing compared to the energy he spent learning Windows stuff.
On the positive side - seeing stuff like this in others has helped me realize when I start exhibiting the same negative thoughts and behaviors.
Give me a break from that clown
I’ve watched Linus some 10 years ago and it always seemed like he’s more of a face and a presenter and has others do research and tell him what to do. They give him some minimum info and let him go and make content. He knows more than the average person and apparently that’s enough to make content.
I wish he took it more seriously. He has a huge platform and can reach a lot of people and he often rather uses it for his own enrichment instead shining a light.I do agree - years ago he was doing some good case reviews and I’d pick his videos to compare against others, but I do agree with other comments here that he’s getting click-baity and I tend to skip his vids now
LTT is the internet equivalent of those TV channels that were nothing but ads.
Its a huge media company at this point so by its own logic it has to churn out a lot of content to mantain itself and grow. Basically they just produce a bunch of slop these days.
What I would like to see is a Windows challenge, where they try to achieve privacy as close to out of the box linux as they can get. That would probably genuinely be entertaining.
He really can’t find pop os on a good day huh?
It’s hilarious how he wants it to work. I think it’s the pre-installed Nvidia drivers he wants to take advantage of (even though installing drivers on most distros is simply using the package manager) which I don’t understand why he fears driver installation, even windows doesn’t come with Nvidia drivers pre-installed. I don’t get why everyone is hating so much, it’s not like he simply made a video about only his experience.
Elijah and Luke are actually good view of what the average user might encounter (minus multi screen configuration).
Also wtf is chimera os? The only 2 times I’ve heard of it are in their videos.
ChimeraOS is a ghetto reimplementation of SteamOS but for regular PCs.
ChimeraOS predates the current Arch based iteration of SteamOS by several years. The first release on GitHub is dated 2019 (then called GamerOS).
Can he not. He’s a moron.
ffs stop using popos
Put Fedora gnome workstation and be done with it. Heck, put Linux Mint XFCE and I guarantee he wont even need to reinstall the OS unless the hardware breaks
I also don’t get it. How many people realistically only use their desktop PC for gaming and what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro if the same can be achieved with minimal amount on a more versatile distro?
I am using bazzite cause its the first distro that I didnt have to use hours of my time to fix stuff and fine tune. I normally dont switch my distro often so I never remember how all the small fixes worked
I’m not sure if CachyOS counts as a “gaming” distro or not, but I use that on my desktop/work machine. I’m pretty familiar with Arch (BTW) and I can do a manual setup from scratch if I need to (that’s what my laptop runs) but Cachy just seemed like a way to use Arch with a simple setup and a bunch of default optimizations. So tl;dr laziness I guess lol.
what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro
User of Garuda Linux here.
The distro comes with an installer that asked me if I want to install Lutris, Steam, Heroic Games Launcher and the AMD drivers. Asked me about my browser preferences, including Vivaldi, which I actually use. It also took care of installing Wine and Proton GE for me, I just had to select them from a list.
It also includes a Garuda Toolbox application which is a general “I don’t understand Arch but need to do maintenance” kind of software. You hop in, drop tasks into a queue (things like checking for updates, clearing orphans, merging .pacnew, etc., etc.), and then it handles executing them all in the appropriate order after just a single root password prompt.
Sounds great! Do you have experience with other Distros and do you think this distro lacks in any area when it comes to use cases other than gaming?
I still consider myself to be primarily a Windows user (I can actually properly troubleshoot stuff there), but I have dabbed in Linux many times over the years. I’m using Garuda for about a year now and I’m super happy with it.
As for other distros - I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Tuxedo OS (basically re-branded Kubuntu, specialised for Tuxedo Computers), Fedora, PopOS, and probably a bunch of others I’m forgetting.
Garuda gave me the most “just works out of the box” experience to date.
Don’t get me wrong - there was still a bunch of things I had to do to get the experience I truly liked, but it gave me the fewest and the least annoying surprises so far.
As for things it lacks - if you get the “Dragonized” edition, you end up with a fairly heavy KDE, and some… questionable default theme choices. I’m running the Garuda Mokka, and I think it just looks super pretty out of the box. I disabled a couple of Window Decorations, but even out of the box it wasn’t anything super over the top. You can also always switch to one of the classic KDE themes, like Breeze.
This was my first foray into Arch, so I can’t tell you if it “breaks” anything someone experienced with Arch would be annoyed about.
How many people realistically only uses their desktop PC for gaming […].
The majority? Not everyone can or wants to afford 10 gaming gadgets just to play the same games on different devices.
what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro
There are some benefits. (I haven’t and don’t plan on watching the video, so I don’t know which they used.) CachyOS has some optimized kernels that help squeeze out more performance out of latency sensitive games. It is not earth-shattering, but there are measurable differences. One personal example was CS2. It ran fine on Fedora 42, but on Cachy there was noticeable less stutter when there was a lot of action.
I guess then we agree? Not many people can afford dedicate devices for just one use case, so a PC, in most instances will also be used for other use cases than gaming.
Thanks for the reasons for dedicated gaming distros, I wasn’t aware of those.
I have misread the meaning of
onlyin your sentence. Only for gaming and nothing else, almost 0%.
Far and away, business is the primary use case for PCs, education second, art and design art likely third, and gaming (while always growing) is still niche use case for PCs worldwide.
At best, gaming has over taken media consumption as a PC task but I think that has more to do with media becoming primarily, a mobile device activity in the last decade.
TBF, I think the majority of “people who play games” play them on their phones these days, and PC gaming is not that big of a percentage.
What’s wrong with Popos?
Cosmic is basically a beta DE right now. Most of Linus’ bad experiences seem to be because of that. It looks promising and I can definitely see it as my daily driver, but in a year or so.
It should be labeled as beta but its not. Its version 1.something so there is no warning of instability on the download page. Really massive L from system76.
Yeah, there’s no winning for them. They obviously underestimated the time needed to write a general purpose DE from scratch and felt they needed to release something.
I think they were mostly testing it on their own hardware and didnt weigh up how brand damaging it can be for users to download their distro and use it on random hardware and get cooked by random issues. Even linux youtubers run into issues on it. Its getting good fast, if they’d just held it back another year it’d be so good.
Fair enough.
I used it on a secondary laptop for a while. I agree that it looks promising, their “Spotlight” equivalent is great, much better than KDE’s default.
Why shouldn’t we use popos? Just curious…
You can realistically use whatever you want. But if you want a stable out of the box experience, choosing an OS that is in a beta testing phase of a new desktop environment, might lead to a less than optimal experience.
The LTS releases should not have that DE just yet, right?
Yes but he didn’t choose that.
Yeah, I agree. Popos` new DE is bad…
Isn’t popos just Ubuntu with more eyecandy?
And preinstalled nvidea drivers (if you get that version)
It used to be, and is still based on Ubuntu the same way as Mint is. Their Cosmic DE used to be a tweaked Gnome, but the current Cosmic iteration is a ground up developed DE done in Rust. It has a lot of promise, but their v1 is basically still beta quality with lots of bugs.
Not as i’m aware of it. It’s clearly an Ubuntu branch, but they did other things to it. I don’t an expert 😅
And imo popos is still better than Microslop.
Well that ain’t hard to achieve :)
absolutely :)
We need to agree on a better way to get new users to easily chose a new Distro without having horrible choice paralysis. Asking AI doesn’t work, asking reddit or lemmy just starts a massive debate and gets the person asking nowhere.
Perhaps just refer everyone to nicks latest tier list although that is really for his use case, I mean he doesn’t even have bazzite on the list when it’s a good choice for a lot of people. Maybe there is a website that asks questions and recommends a distro based on that, or maybe I saw a cool flow chart photo that seamed good, but it’s an image so it won’t update itself when people come back to it later and the recomendations change.
Unfortunately there isn’t a silver-bullet for picking a distro. It’s a hurdle to get over for sure, and one that is likely to hinder general purpose adoption of Linux for a long time to come, but it is also part of what is awesome about Linux if people are willing to understand it.
Trying a bunch of different distros is really the only way to find out what is going to work for “you”. Scrounge up 4 or 10 flash drives at least 4GB each. Flash them with the ISOs for every distro that remotely tickles your fancy, and boot them up and see how it goes. Figure out your top couple of choices, and install one. If things go well, great, enjoy your new OS. If something is broken or breaks right away, then go install choice number 2 and see if it is still broken. Reasonable chance it isn’t and then you can enjoy your new OS.
I feel like Ubuntu used to be the sort of default “new user” distro, but they keep going off on these weird tangents so that doesn’t really work anymore. Then it felt like PopOS might have been the new one, but now they’re mid-way between transitioning to COSMIC so that’s not really a good fit either. I think maybe Mint is the default one now, but also Cinnamon is kind of it’s own thing so it doesn’t set a new user up well for becoming familiar with the more universally used DE’s like Gnome or Plasma.
I think Fedora and Debian are also a decent fit for new users, but that’s also not a very exciting answer so that’s probably why it doesn’t come up as much lol.
Manjaro was the go-to distro for laymen, but manchildren got upset it wasn’t “their” distro being recommended by parties like Valve so they berated anyone who suggested it.
People berate Manjaro because it’s objectively bad. If you use it and like it, more power to you, but please stop recommending it to people new to Linux as it is likely to push people away from Linux when it inevitably breaks. Everyone that recommends Manjaro does so as an “easy to use” and “beginner friendly” distro, but it isn’t. So when it breaks for some arcane and obtuse reason, new users tend to just resign themselves as “not smart enough” for Linux and they go back to Windows. Meanwhile, there are people daily driving Mint, Ubuntu, and Fedora that barely know which way around to hold a mouse.
I don’t have the patience to argue with you, but you are wrong.
That literally is arguing…
There is no requirement for you to reply if you don’t want to take part in the discussion on this social platform, but I feel I took great care in my original reply to not attack or berate anyone, you included. Sorry that your favorite distro isn’t the “go-to” recommendation anymore, I guess.
This gives me an idea.
Sort of a questionnaire that kinda walks you through the kind of things you’ll use your machine for, what kinda hardware you have,… and then eventually gives you say 3 to four choices at the end. (So the average user can look at a few screenshots and make a choice based on that. Because let’s be honest we all choose our Linux partially with our eyes just like we listen to music).
Well fuck, another project my adhd wants to tackle but probably can’t.
Something like this? https://distrochooser.de/
got popOS from this so its still just as cooked.
Now you have to install it it’s the law
That’s awesome. Now to find some opportunities to share this with people.
I wish that wasn’t a video, but a website with everything explained on one page. We used to host things damnit! /end rant
