Whenever i talk to people about privacy, specifically my friends when i tell them why i switched to Signal and stopped using WhatsApp, i’m always met with people saying that i’m just making no sense and “why would you care so much if you have nothing to hide? I don’t care that meta sees that stuff” and some people are just so stubborn to understand that they might even settle on the “what would a billion dollar company want from me specifically?”. It makes me mad how people refuse to even consider alternatives and open their mind a bit. What do you think?
“Unlock your phone and hand it to me”
“Yeah, that’s what I thought”
“Let me take a quick look through your browser history to confirm that you in fact have nothing to hide.”
do you shit with the door open , let me. take a few pics of you doing that
hand over your phone and let me take a look.
Shift the conversation towards autonomy, dignity and self-respect.
The user’s interaction with the-billion-dollar-company’s software is unpaid labour, which is why they profit and the user suffers. They suffer from having their data stolen; they suffer the expenses fostered on to them; they pay for the computers that spy on them; they pay for the electricity to run the spyware; they pay for the data-subscriptions that facilitate the theft of their data. They cover all the expenses of a billion-dollar-company and are deprived of any profit. They do not even garner a wage.
If one wishes to move towards the point of “my data is worthless” point out the company’s profits or even its speculative valuations. Clearly it’s not worthless. The products that are derived from their exploitation lead to even greater profits for those companies. “A.I.” is a looting of the collective commons. A privatization of humanity’s interaction with computers.
Do they like being exploited? Do they like their batteries draining faster, because their mobile-computer is running software to spy on them? Do they like running out of data because their mobile-computer is forcefully downloading ads and spyware-updates? Do they like ads? Do they like being interrupted by the highest bidder? Do they like annoying notifications that are just ads? Do they like this shitty experience? Are they complete docile slaves? They are less than wage-slaves for they do not even garner a wage! Have some self-respect and dignity!
You have nothing to hide until what was once acceptable rapidly changes.
That’s the angle I take. Its fine now, sure. What about when Nazis end up in charge again?
And then all the sudden you’re a conspiracy nut to be disregarded, all the while they’re saying it and doing it out loud and in broad daylight.
Lock eyes and unzip their pants.
do you shot with the door open?
I hate this argument.
why?
everyone shits, everyone knows everyone shits, every one knows what the person in the dedicated shitting room is doing
yet we all close the door
When people say this they’re completely missing the point. First, when someone says “I have nothing to hide”, they are assuming that whoever is watching or monitoring or surveiling them share the same values they do. You decide to do something and you don’t care who knows it because you think “there’s nothing wrong with this”. What if who is watching you decides "there is something wrong with that? The second point is that, even if you have just the slightest inkling that someone might know what you’re thinking or doing, you think and act differently. It’s psychology.
Not caring about privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same thing like opposing freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
“Can I come watch next time you and your partner have sexy times?”
Ask them for their social security number and credit card with ccv code.
“Okay, unlock your phone and hand it over so I can go through it.”
That’s where they all get cold feet. All of them.
I did this once to someone and they were like “ok sure here you go…” I wanted to then check their gallery just to make a point, but I ended up not doing it because it made me so uncomfortable. Guess I won’t be fit as a totalitarian regime leader 😆. I just don’t understand how some people care THAT little for their own privacy.
Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let’s see how long that lasts.
You might just be in a bubble of privacy-minded people. I know many people who would hand over their phone unlocked at the drop of a hat. Their digital lives just don’t mean anything to them. But more likely, they don’t appreciate the damage someone can do with that access.
Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let’s see how long that lasts.
Did you read the last sentence?
So your getting their password or face or fingerprint? Most banking apps have some sort or authentication.
I saw someone on YouTube respond with “give me your phone and let me go into the other room for an hour”
Ask to put a camera in their bathroom
Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say. - Edward Snowden
came here to say this and i’m glad lemmy is keeping this alive.
